Pup sheep :(

[The 12...3 1]

Don`t have much knowledge about lurchers mate, and not sure if someone else has posted this. But a lad who drinks down our local pub is big into em, he had a very similar problem with a young dog, and seen as it was our sheep he went after it needed sorting!! So he brought it down the farm, we got one our big texel tups, put him in a small pen made of fencing hurdles, chucked the dog in, stood back and let nature take its course. Pretty much Instantly solved his problem, dog never looked at a sheep again!

 

ATB The 12...3

[beast 1,884]

sometimes putting a dog in a pen to get bullied by sheep wont work because they react very differently when sheep are actually running away. a lot of adolescent dogs mess up like this and can be retrained with a firm consistent approach, but stock worrying is one of the only times i would consider using a shock collar. they do work but you have to get your timing EXACTLY right or you can cause a lot of different problems. if you can find an experienced trainer to train you how to use one properly you will probably only ned to use it a couple of times, although as i say i woyld only use it as a last resort

[Casso 1,261]

Right I'm really annoyed I've a pup here who I've had out around stock since 7 week old hrs brill of lead and never even bats an eye lid at sheep but he's now 6/7 month old and this morning I let him off in the fields we are in everyday and he headed straight for the sheep he grabbed the back end of one , I caught up to him and give him a thrashing he's never showed interest before and in gutted he's such a loverly pup looks like ill have to go back to basics with him I feel shit now

 

i think we should look at this problem from the dogs angle,

 

1 whatever we do with a pup becomes irrelevant after the drive stage of development because the pup is looking at the world through a different set of lenses, he is much more attracted to things , movement in particular , the onset of sexuality changes everything in the pups , things he seemly knew before are construed as forgotten, he may still act for treats and such but his overriding force is attraction to energetic object be it people , animals , movement ,

 

2 breaking to stock usually goes something like this, dog looks at sheep , dog gets corrected for same, fine so dog wont go near sheep with us in close proximity but the thing is the movement of the sheep evoke energy in the mutt and energy must run to ground, the dog cant be stuck with energy so he acts on it because chasing and catching sheep will run that energy to ground,

 

3 when we confront the mutt for showing interest in stock , we become the problem for the dog not the answer he is still stuck with the energy a situation which has been bred into hunting dogs for hundreds of years, when we become more dominant and aggressive it is impossible for the dog to give us the energy in him generated by the sheep a situation which makes it easier for him to disobey and follow his instincts,

 

4 pups who are overly stimulated by movement young feel compelled to act on prey instinct not drive, that way movement becomes the overriding trigger in the dog if we train a dog through drive which stimulate energy we have a much better handle on the mutt when he is energised,

 

methods of stock break vary but i dont come into conflict with the pup at any stage when i see he has energy to give i channel it into an action involving me , the energy runs to ground on a tug item and we dont have a conflict and i get the credit for the feeling of contentment the dog arrives at thereafter,

 

when we become too predator like to the dog we are pushing him towards the prey item (sheep) and his interest in sheep is never resolved just stored which is why a dog who seemly was broken will suddenly decide to chase some day out of the blue

best of luck

[J.DOG 1,355]

Right I'm really annoyed I've a pup here who I've had out around stock since 7 week old hrs brill of lead and never even bats an eye lid at sheep but he's now 6/7 month old and this morning I let him off in the fields we are in everyday and he headed straight for the sheep he grabbed the back end of one , I caught up to him and give him a thrashing he's never showed interest before and in gutted he's such a loverly pup looks like ill have to go back to basics with him I feel shit now

 

i think we should look at this problem from the dogs angle,

 

1 whatever we do with a pup becomes irrelevant after the drive stage of development because the pup is looking at the world through a different set of lenses, he is much more attracted to things , movement in particular , the onset of sexuality changes everything in the pups , things he seemly knew before are construed as forgotten, he may still act for treats and such but his overriding force is attraction to energetic object be it people , animals , movement ,

 

2 breaking to stock usually goes something like this, dog looks at sheep , dog gets corrected for same, fine so dog wont go near sheep with us in close proximity but the thing is the movement of the sheep evoke energy in the mutt and energy must run to ground, the dog cant be stuck with energy so he acts on it because chasing and catching sheep will run that energy to ground,

 

3 when we confront the mutt for showing interest in stock , we become the problem for the dog not the answer he is still stuck with the energy a situation which has been bred into hunting dogs for hundreds of years, when we become more dominant and aggressive it is impossible for the dog to give us the energy in him generated by the sheep a situation which makes it easier for him to disobey and follow his instincts,

 

4 pups who are overly stimulated by movement young feel compelled to act on prey instinct not drive, that way movement becomes the overriding trigger in the dog if we train a dog through drive which stimulate energy we have a much better handle on the mutt when he is energised,

 

methods of stock break vary but i dont come into conflict with the pup at any stage when i see he has energy to give i channel it into an action involving me , the energy runs to ground on a tug item and we dont have a conflict and i get the credit for the feeling of contentment the dog arrives at thereafter,

 

when we become too predator like to the dog we are pushing him towards the prey item (sheep) and his interest in sheep is never resolved just stored which is why a dog who seemly was broken will suddenly decide to chase some day out of the blue

best of luck

 

That's very helpful mate thanks very much

[Country Joe 1,411]

My method of the long rope and letting the dog see the sheep run has always worked for me, and i have trained a few pups with this method, and never had a Dog chase Sheep.

Have I just been lucky? no I dont think so, the method works.

And I have never used a electric collar.

[J.DOG 1,355]

My method of the long rope and letting the dog see the sheep run has always worked for me, and i have trained a few pups with this method, and never had a Dog chase Sheep.

Have I just been lucky? no I dont think so, the method works.

And I have never used a electric collar.

I'm heading out tommarow with long lead

[J.DOG 1,355]

Pic from this morning

 

I just Took the pup out to my fields for half an hour

 

 

Had him within 6 foot of sheep and kept correcting him and he's learning

 

Then back to the other fields for a run around

 

Then off home

 

With the chickens

 

[Giro 2,648]

Dogs looking well..

 

Keep at it fella..

[J.DOG 1,355]

Dogs looking well..

 

Keep at it fella..

 

Thanks mate , I will

[lamp+battery 98]

samrt dog mate hope all turns out well for you

 

atb...lamp

[J.DOG 1,355]

samrt dog mate hope all turns out well for you

 

atb...lamp

 

Cheers mate ,