D-Day! (Renamed to "The re-education and crushing defeat of the fatally idealistic Mr Miles")

[gonetoearth 5,144]

Reading this has given me a cunning plan I'm going to go poaching and when someone turns up saying get orff moy laaand ill decline until they show me there deeds to said land

afore ye go pop into local pub pick up a pint and drink it some one may challenge you but most wont keep a recipt so carnt prove they own it

[scothunter 12,609]

reminds of the tale told to me by a poacher.land owner rides up on his horse ,and demands he get of his land."who says its your land" he told him.my grandfathers fought for this land says the toff."well get aff that f*****g horse and ill fight you for it the now"

[milegajo 595]

So do you accept that the land is not yours? And if so when the owner is verified will you move on without question? And will you be putting the land back exactly as you found it?

 

I completely accept the land is not mine. In fact I maintain that no one truly owns land nor indeed any thing of substance or matter.

 

However, I do recognise that others have there own beliefs, different to mine as they may be. I am also aware of a vast system and network of resources that will spring into action to crush me, that I cannot possibly hope to conquer.

By the claimant refusing to present me with the paperwork that I am well within my rights to request, I can only presume he is an imposter.

If he changed his mind and proved his entitlement, irrespective of what my own ideals are, I would choose to move on rather than face harassment.

 

As for putting the land back to how I found it, if I did, the locals would be upset. It was literally a tip!

 

So do you accept that the land is not yours? And if so when the owner is verified will you move on without question? And will you be putting the land back exactly as you found it?

 

If he does that then he accepts any shooting on the land is/was armed trespass.

 

No I do not. I have explained trespass. You also cannot be guilty of trespass where there exists a public right of way. There are two here.

 

I agree, i love the idea of living that life on a bit of land you have bought.

 

What if you do not have the means to purchase?

In the past, I let money (or a lack of it) curb my participation in activities I enjoy and my wellbeing suffered. My suffering continued until I stopped allowing lack of money to be a barrier. I also truly appreciated the wisdom in "the best things in life are free". I see no reason to change back.

 

 

all that would be fine if he owned the land but he doesnt and the person who does, does not want him there, thats their choice, im sure he and his family are very nice and the thought of living free is a dream for most. however the reality is very few if anybody can live truely free we are all slaves to the system in one way or another as he has just found out.

 

In fairness, we don't know if the other people own the land either.

 

Agreed.

 

Reading this has given me a cunning plan I'm going to go poaching and when someone turns up saying get orff moy laaand ill decline until they show me there deeds to said land

 

I wouldn't decline, that's deemed as trespass the moment you refuse. I would 'conditionally accept' with the presentation of the deeds your condition.

 

They seem able to evict him, so I'm guessing they probably can prove ownership, they just don't feel they need to show it to him.

 

That's the most baffling part. Either there is some foul play going on with lawyer palms being greased, or the deeds do exist. Which begs the question, why, after a year of my occupation and three clear and explicit request, haven't I been shown them?

[paulus 26]

So do you accept that the land is not yours? And if so when the owner is verified will you move on without question? And will you be putting the land back exactly as you found it?

 

I completely accept the land is not mine. In fact I maintain that no one truly owns land nor indeed any thing of substance or matter.

 

However, I do recognise that others have there own beliefs, different to mine as they may be. I am also aware of a vast system and network of resources that will spring into action to crush me, that I cannot possibly hope to conquer.

By the claimant refusing to present me with the paperwork that I am well within my rights to request, I can only presume he is an imposter.

If he changed his mind and proved his entitlement, irrespective of what my own ideals are, I would choose to move on rather than face harassment.

 

As for putting the land back to how I found it, if I did, the locals would be upset. It was literally a tip!

 

So do you accept that the land is not yours? And if so when the owner is verified will you move on without question? And will you be putting the land back exactly as you found it?

 

If he does that then he accepts any shooting on the land is/was armed trespass.

 

No I do not. I have explained trespass. You also cannot be guilty of trespass where there exists a public right of way. There are two here.

 

I agree, i love the idea of living that life on a bit of land you have bought.

 

What if you do not have the means to purchase?

In the past, I let money (or a lack of it) curb my participation in activities I enjoy and my wellbeing suffered. My suffering continued until I stopped allowing lack of money to be a barrier. I also truly appreciated the wisdom in "the best things in life are free". I see no reason to change back.

 

 

all that would be fine if he owned the land but he doesnt and the person who does, does not want him there, thats their choice, im sure he and his family are very nice and the thought of living free is a dream for most. however the reality is very few if anybody can live truely free we are all slaves to the system in one way or another as he has just found out.

 

In fairness, we don't know if the other people own the land either.

 

Agreed.

 

Reading this has given me a cunning plan I'm going to go poaching and when someone turns up saying get orff moy laaand ill decline until they show me there deeds to said land

 

I wouldn't decline, that's deemed as trespass the moment you refuse. I would 'conditionally accept' with the presentation of the deeds your condition.

 

They seem able to evict him, so I'm guessing they probably can prove ownership, they just don't feel they need to show it to him.

 

That's the most baffling part. Either there is some foul play going on with lawyer palms being greased, or the deeds do exist. Which begs the question, why, after a year of my occupation and three clear and explicit request, haven't I been shown them?

simple fact is whether he owns it or not is bye the bye one thing in all this that is clear YOU DONT

[Pink or stink 162]

I have explained trespass. You also cannot be guilty of trespass where there exists a public right of way. There are two here.

 

That appears to be your own interpretation of trespass. Are you literally camped on this "right of way"?

[milegajo 595]

simple fact is whether he owns it or not is bye the bye one thing in all this that is clear YOU DONT

 

Nor would I wish to. If not harassed over some planning violation, I'm sure the council would try to extort tax out of me!

[Simoman 110]

Why should the land owner show you the property deeds? He must of proved ownership for the eviction process to have started. If i had purchased/inherited/ or won in a game of scrabble an area of land and somebody moved onto it, then asked ME to prove it was mine i'd be inclined to say f**k off. You may not believe in the ownership of land, but unfortunatey the law does...............

 

You may not be guilty of trepass of there are numerous rights of way, but if your carrying a gun????? I don't for one second believe there is a legal loophole for carrying a gun on land you have no right to be on........

[stabba 10,745]

Why should he show you the deeds?? Put it this way..if you demanded to see the deeds to my house/property i'd flatly tell you where to get off... No matter how well you speak or which laws you spout..you are still on someones land without permission to be there. So what if there's public rights of way on it?? Are you living on the actual right of way?? i guess not...All this romantic stuff about right to claim this and that is just claptrap and you know it...Wipe ya mouth pal and accept you've been busted. You've had a good run and were it my land you'd have been out long ago. Im willing to bet when the big bad men come tomorrow you'll fold like a little girl and move onto the next soft touch. regards stabba

[milegajo 595]

I have explained trespass. You also cannot be guilty of trespass where there exists a public right of way. There are two here.

 

That appears to be your own interpretation of trespass. Are you literally camped on this "right of way"?

 

Unless common and case law has radically changed recently, I believe that is the legal interpretation of trespass too.

 

Not camped on the right of way, 5 paces off it. If that.

[Pink or stink 162]

Not camped on the right of way, 5 paces off it. If that.

 

Then it seems you are trespassing

 

Perhaps more accurately you could be squatting?

 

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/trespass_and_nuisance_on_land/#a01

Edited December 10, 2012 by Pink or stink

[milegajo 595]

Why should the land owner show you the property deeds? He must of proved ownership for the eviction process to have started. If i had purchased/inherited/ or won in a game of scrabble an area of land and somebody moved onto it, then asked ME to prove it was mine i'd be inclined to say f**k off. You may not believe in the ownership of land, but unfortunatey the law does...............

 

You may not be guilty of trepass of there are numerous rights of way, but if your carrying a gun????? I don't for one second believe there is a legal loophole for carrying a gun on land you have no right to be on........

 

Why should he show you the deeds?? Put it this way..if you demanded to see the deeds to my house/property i'd flatly tell you where to get off... No matter how well you speak or which laws you spout..you are still on someones land without permission to be there. So what if there's public rights of way on it?? Are you living on the actual right of way?? i guess not...All this romantic stuff about right to claim this and that is just claptrap and you know it...Wipe ya mouth pal and accept you've been busted. You've had a good run and were it my land you'd have been out long ago. Im willing to bet when the big bad men come tomorrow you'll fold like a little girl and move onto the next soft touch. regards stabba

 

If either of you sat down in an overcrowded cinema and someone accused you of "sitting in their seat" would you show them your ticket number? Or would you "be inclined to say f**k off"/ flatly tell them where to get off?

Reverse the roles if you wish. Either way, being obtuse only muddies the waters.

 

Until I am shown evidence to the contrary, I am steward of the land. Acting landlord in the landlords absence. As such I have all the benefits of ownership, yet none of the limitations.

 

If you look in the bible (the book upon which the legal system is based and laws of God that the Queen is sworn to uphold) you will see it says something very similar. God entrusted the Earth to man. He didn't entrust it to certain men with silver spoons in their mouths, despite what they would have you believe. Nor does it mention rationing the earth resources in accordance to how much money you acquire.

 

It's a bit wordy, but worth a read. I tried to read the Qur’an once but found it a bit too repetitive. Plus the bible had a few more 'action' scenes in it. And lots of begatting. I like that.

[Pink or stink 162]

 

 

Until I am shown evidence to the contrary, I am steward of the land. Acting landlord in the landlords absence. As such I have all the benefits of ownership, yet none of the limitations.

 

 

Does this include you and those you invite, to shoot on this land?

[Simoman 110]

Sitting in a cinema seat and sqautting on somebodies land are very different, i fear your being obtuse...........Steward of the land, a role you have allocated yourself and not been given, silver spoon, does it matter if the man is a multi millionaire or doesnt have two pennies to rub together, its his land, not yours. In the eyes of the law you are in the wrong, you can have your beliefs but the legal system wont be swayed by them.

 

Personally i think its admirable the simplistic lifestyle you have chosen, it makes a refreshing change and interesting reading, but the fact is in this case your on a hiding to nothing

[milegajo 595]

Not camped on the right of way, 5 paces off it. If that.

 

Then it seems you are trespassing

 

Perhaps more accurately you could be squatting?

 

http://www.cps.gov.u...ce_on_land/#a01

 

Ok, man turns up at your door.

You ask him to leave.

He says "No, I will not leave"

 

You have a trespasser.

 

Man turns up at your door.

You ask him to leave.

He says nothing. Just stands there like a Mannequin.

 

You do not have a trespasser. But you may have an escaped mental patient...

[sniffer 167]

Not camped on the right of way, 5 paces off it. If that.

 

Then it seems you are trespassing

 

Perhaps more accurately you could be squatting?

 

http://www.cps.gov.u...ce_on_land/#a01

 

Ok, man turns up at your door.

You ask him to leave.

He says "No, I will not leave"

 

You have a trespasser.

 

Man turns up at your door.

You ask him to leave.

He says nothing. Just stands there like a Mannequin.

 

You do not have a trespasser. But you may have an escaped mental patient...

So are you trespassing or a nutter