Plummers v patts

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Foxdropper,if Plummers were called Russells do you think they would take as much stick from well seasonned terriermen like yourself ?? I bred hybrids off mine from -2000 and only bred to the black patched progeny that looked like russells,if I put this pic of a bitch I bred from my Plummer to a nuttall in 1990

 

you'd never know any different,she is saturated in Plummer blood and she was hunted to 3 packs during her life,bred many good workers and never let me down in her lifetime,she drew many compliments from well known decent terriermen but as soon as you mention the words Plummer,then lads like yourself would not believe it,for the last 12yrs I've only bred off Plummers and do not deny my dogs heritage anymore,earthwork is in the minority among Plummer owners but you are ignorant to think they are all the same,my line is steady and it is my intention to put as many as possible into ordinary lads that can keep them working,I've never shown a dog in my life so its all about work for me,your idle jibe at Plummer owners is a stupid one as you seem to think its like going to woolies to buy sweets finding foxes to ground,if only it was that easy,I walked the fields all day today on a shooting estate checking earths without any joy and if your dogs are as good as you make out there will be none left by the time we got there,going by your amount of posts you never have any time for hunting,I've put plenty of lads like you to shame in the past and would love to shut you up if you were closer but I am now a bit long in the tooth to put up with blowhards and have no need to big myself up to impress,anyone can buy a patt/fell in thats well bred but try breeding one yourself from nothing then that will impress me,WM

[bobby blackheart 1,209]

I LIKE THAT WM

[reddawn 2,173]

WM do ye rate them plummer types better bolters than fell types??

[Cleanspade 3,323]

So we are all agreed that black dogs are better by far and plumbers[so spelt as all his dogs were shit at pipe work ,lol] are at best yappy rabbiters ,rabbiting being not a form of work but a form of riot in working terrriers .Any dog brought up right will rat ,fact .Dont care what may be said but ive seen them all and a dead rat is no deader if killed by a plumber. Theres been a few plummer owners full of it on here so in accordance with the topic title I will open an invite to any plummer breeder to bring his dogs to a session on the rats with me and then to dig to each and every one brought as i will and we will see whos the all rounder .My moneys on silence from the plummer lads .

 

ive never been one for the black dogs. ive seen a few work to a standard but to be honest the majority of of the ones ive seen have been to brash. taking far to much damage . i know they arnt all to hard and i know there are strains of steady bay and mix types but in general as a breed they are retired to early if given regular work . very brave little terriers and to be admired. ( as long as they are in someone elses kennel) i'll stick to more versitile terriers. i dont do a lot of rats. the odd one or two about the farmyards. as for earthwork. again just the odd one here and there now . if and when needed. my main terrier for that is a plummer now . pride of the fleet here if she is better or worse than a patt well that would depend on the patterdale and the way it was worked. would it matter in the grand scheme of terrierwork. .

 

a good offer though. even if its given for all the wrong reasons .

[wirral countryman 2,110]

WM do ye rate them plummer types better bolters than fell types??

That depends on the breeding of the plummer or fell,I like a small 12"tts terrier for foxwork as most earths in cheshire are scratched out rabbit holes,it does'nt matter too much whether its a russell/ plummer or a fell/patt so long as it is able to freely manoevre to force the bolt by its speed of movement around the earth with steady baying,so long as you make a quiet approach to the earth most will bolt freely unaware of the danger of the waiting gun on top,its pressure from the terrier that will force it but if you're up a stop end then its a dig anyway and thats where I see the difference,russell/Plummers will bay mostly and will freely give and take but a fell/patt wants a war once engaged,I know there are a few that may be sensible but they are few and far between,also black dogs show every scar like a badge of honour for all to see and this is what will get you arrested around here with the laws as they stand,its not very often that my Plummers are laid up through injury and a terrier will never learn anything by being left at home everyday smashed up,only ever able to go out every couple of weeks because of damage,WM

[whippet 99 2,613]

are we any clearer on the out come of plummer vs patterdale.......?

i think there is no comparison,...........they both serve a purpose and some will exceed in exspectation and some wont meet there intended requirements.......

use the breed you desire....................and you will see the ingredients you want in any dam and sire.........

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Foxdropper,if Plummers were called Russells do you think they would take as much stick from well seasonned terriermen like yourself ?? I bred hybrids off mine from -2000 and only bred to the black patched progeny that looked like russells,if I put this pic of a bitch I bred from my Plummer to a nuttall in 1990

 

you'd never know any different,she is saturated in Plummer blood and she was hunted to 3 packs during her life,bred many good workers and never let me down in her lifetime,she drew many compliments from well known decent terriermen but as soon as you mention the words Plummer,then lads like yourself would not believe it,for the last 12yrs I've only bred off Plummers and do not deny my dogs heritage anymore,earthwork is in the minority among Plummer owners but you are ignorant to think they are all the same,my line is steady and it is my intention to put as many as possible into ordinary lads that can keep them working,I've never shown a dog in my life so its all about work for me,your idle jibe at Plummer owners is a stupid one as you seem to think its like going to woolies to buy sweets finding foxes to ground,if only it was that easy,I walked the fields all day today on a shooting estate checking earths without any joy and if your dogs are as good as you make out there will be none left by the time we got there,going by your amount of posts you never have any time for hunting,I've put plenty of lads like you to shame in the past and would love to shut you up if you were closer but I am now a bit long in the tooth to put up with blowhards and have no need to big myself up to impress,anyone can buy a patt/fell in thats well bred but try breeding one yourself from nothing then that will impress me,WM

Please dont let your age and wisdom stand infront of showing me the ropes or the error of my judgement .I will do the digging,bring the food and drink ,despatch the quarry and take the pics all you have to do is turn up with the dog that will shut me up .Just one plummer will be all it takes to change my mind on what has been to date a series of profound let downs . You can even choose the earth .Its very easy to judge someone on here at face value ,something you have done without asking about or taken the time to read my posts .Whilst i dont have the luxury of wandering the fields at will ,i do have the rights over a considerable acreage and EVERY waking minute of spare time is devoted to hunting in one form or another .I have bred the black dogs for 25 years ,have dug in every county in England bar 3 and work to both rats and foxes regularly .As said you are welcome down here anytime as a friend and not as an antagonist.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

WM do ye rate them plummer types better bolters than fell types??

That depends on the breeding of the plummer or fell,I like a small 12"tts terrier for foxwork as most earths in cheshire are scratched out rabbit holes,it does'nt matter too much whether its a russell/ plummer or a fell/patt so long as it is able to freely manoevre to force the bolt by its speed of movement around the earth with steady baying,so long as you make a quiet approach to the earth most will bolt freely unaware of the danger of the waiting gun on top,its pressure from the terrier that will force it but if you're up a stop end then its a dig anyway and thats where I see the difference,russell/Plummers will bay mostly and will freely give and take but a fell/patt wants a war once engaged,I know there are a few that may be sensible but they are few and far between,also black dogs show every scar like a badge of honour for all to see and this is what will get you arrested around here with the laws as they stand,its not very often that my Plummers are laid up through injury and a terrier will never learn anything by being left at home everyday smashed up,only ever able to go out every couple of weeks because of damage,WM

Just read this through again and realised what little you profess to know about the working terrier scene as a whole. You seem stuck within the memory of a couple of good dogs and not a lifetime of workers being the norm .There are just as many bayer ,mixer types blacks as there are russels ,proportionally.The hard game dogs gets you a result where your bayer mixer will be floundering and if you havnt been in this situation then you are greener than i first thought .Please dont come back with that russel dog as the topic is not about them ,ive seen many fine specimens of that type but the plummers have always been way below par when it comes to earth work.

The black dogs may be laid up a bit more but that leaves the game open for another to be used .Can the same be said of a kennel of plummers ?.

[lukey 1,621]

Foxdropper,if Plummers were called Russells do you think they would take as much stick from well seasonned terriermen like yourself ?? I bred hybrids off mine from -2000 and only bred to the black patched progeny that looked like russells,if I put this pic of a bitch I bred from my Plummer to a nuttall in 1990

 

you'd never know any different,she is saturated in Plummer blood and she was hunted to 3 packs during her life,bred many good workers and never let me down in her lifetime,she drew many compliments from well known decent terriermen but as soon as you mention the words Plummer,then lads like yourself would not believe it,for the last 12yrs I've only bred off Plummers and do not deny my dogs heritage anymore,earthwork is in the minority among Plummer owners but you are ignorant to think they are all the same,my line is steady and it is my intention to put as many as possible into ordinary lads that can keep them working,I've never shown a dog in my life so its all about work for me,your idle jibe at Plummer owners is a stupid one as you seem to think its like going to woolies to buy sweets finding foxes to ground,if only it was that easy,I walked the fields all day today on a shooting estate checking earths without any joy and if your dogs are as good as you make out there will be none left by the time we got there,going by your amount of posts you never have any time for hunting,I've put plenty of lads like you to shame in the past and would love to shut you up if you were closer but I am now a bit long in the tooth to put up with blowhards and have no need to big myself up to impress,anyone can buy a patt/fell in thats well bred but try breeding one yourself from nothing then that will impress me,WM

 

Do you gift out Plummer pups bred from working parents to lads willing to run them on for work?

[Rory4 267]

best allrounder ive seen is a beddy!

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Foxdropper,if Plummers were called Russells do you think they would take as much stick from well seasonned terriermen like yourself ?? I bred hybrids off mine from -2000 and only bred to the black patched progeny that looked like russells,if I put this pic of a bitch I bred from my Plummer to a nuttall in 1990

 

you'd never know any different,she is saturated in Plummer blood and she was hunted to 3 packs during her life,bred many good workers and never let me down in her lifetime,she drew many compliments from well known decent terriermen but as soon as you mention the words Plummer,then lads like yourself would not believe it,for the last 12yrs I've only bred off Plummers and do not deny my dogs heritage anymore,earthwork is in the minority among Plummer owners but you are ignorant to think they are all the same,my line is steady and it is my intention to put as many as possible into ordinary lads that can keep them working,I've never shown a dog in my life so its all about work for me,your idle jibe at Plummer owners is a stupid one as you seem to think its like going to woolies to buy sweets finding foxes to ground,if only it was that easy,I walked the fields all day today on a shooting estate checking earths without any joy and if your dogs are as good as you make out there will be none left by the time we got there,going by your amount of posts you never have any time for hunting,I've put plenty of lads like you to shame in the past and would love to shut you up if you were closer but I am now a bit long in the tooth to put up with blowhards and have no need to big myself up to impress,anyone can buy a patt/fell in thats well bred but try breeding one yourself from nothing then that will impress me,WM

 

Do you gift out Plummer pups bred from working parents to lads willing to run them on for work?

Another can of worms squirming and ready to be opened .lol.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Mr foxdropper,crikey you're keen for a reply but as most of my time is spent "on" the fields and not just talking about it,I will try fit you in before my last walk,I have no interest in you or your posts really but there are many levels of hunting as I previously commented and respect costs nothing for another hunter or countryman of any sort,you seem incapable of saying anything without resorting to ridicule or criticism of another mans choice of dog or sport,your response is quite entertaining really regarding you doing everything on my behalf and those that know me and been out on the fields where it counts with me would be the first to laugh,I am a hands on sort that does not wait around for anything to happen by chance and choose my friends carefully,I have no idea of your age or background but your ignorance knows no limits judging by your churlish attitude to earthwork,I've seen many like you jump out of an earth after big talk on the way there about your dangerous lion taming exploits,you will have never associated with the kind of decent lads I have met from all over this fine country of ours, some well known and some just ordinary decent folk with a genuine love of dogs,I have a very diverse background of working dogs that takes in a lot of other breeds you would find contempt in also,I agree with you that 90% of Plummers will never see earthwork and as I see it its the other 10% you cannot get your inferior brain around,Fireman has agreed to a day out as he is a lot closer than myself and he is an honest lad that many have a lot of time for,make your comment at least after seeing one work,we are talking about a little fox,not some large brown bear or man eating tiger,you really should think about changing your avatar to something that is more reflective of your legendary status like "HERO". I suppose you know what a "foxdropper" is?? its certainly not a name anyone associated with hunting would use because of the inference and inuendo that immediately springs to mind.I have owned and tested nearly every sort of terrier at some time in my life and find there is not much difference between the good ones of any breed,quality will always be quality,FACT,WM

[wirral countryman 2,110]

LUKEY,no mate I've never gifted a terrier to somebody unknown to me but I have many friends in this area that are running them on now,WM

[bobby blackheart 1,209]

another pissing comp-lol-meet up see whos full of shit.

[unlacedgecko 1,466]

I've got 2 unentered pups and a fat old pet. I have never bred a dog or dug to my own terrier, but I'm part way (geographically) between FD and WM. In the interests of the wider THL community I would be prepared to go for a dig with each of them on different days and then do a write up of each terrier. I've got limited experience of terrier work, so it would be amateur in the extreme, but might be of interest to some.

 

 

Also, having just moved to a new area I have no permission, so they would have to supply the ground. As a sweetener I will do all the digging (and more importantly the back filling) and provide a nice picnic made by my mother.

 

PM if interested...