Plummers v patts

[johnny 777 53]

Which is the best all round terrier ?

[donnyc 1,203]

Neither are an all round terrier IMO..

[alimac 882]

Neither are an all round terrier IMO..

Care to enlighten us a bit more on your thoughts??

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

I had a one off plummer that was, ok maybe a dog and a bitch but had more rat only dogs then true alrounders.

if i get my black dog entered give me 3 yrs and i will tell you then

[tinytiger 840]

id say a plummer

[jamie mc 168]

I have a pat bitch hear that i think is a good all rounder she works rats fox marks rabbits and bushes good.Works on the lamp as well she Even picks up on the shoot days and have boys on her that have seen her work if you put the game in front of the dog they soon get the hang of it.

[donnyc 1,203]

Neither are an all round terrier IMO..

Care to enlighten us a bit more on your thoughts??

Pats were firstly bred for earth work and usually have a tendency to enter early not a good thing if you are after a bushing or ratting dog ..Plummers are very adaptable but you would generally really look hard to find digging stock

[marshman 7,758]

Individual dogs good and bad in both . For me from I've seen I'd have to say is the black dog all the way ! If you take a say ten black uns ratting would they catch any less than say ten plummers? But if you took plummers digging to fox week in week out would they catch any less ? Of course I could be wrong but I dig a lot more than I go ratting so for me it's the black un IMHO

[the durham digger 127]

I would say they both masters of different trades... my preference though black uns, but i prefur earth work. Each to there own!

[alimac 882]

Neither are an all round terrier IMO..

Care to enlighten us a bit more on your thoughts??

Pats were firstly bred for earth work and usually have a tendency to enter early not a good thing if you are after a bushing or ratting dog ..Plummers are very adaptable but you would generally really look hard to find digging stock

Why would a dog that entered early not be a good thing wether your looking for a ALL rounder or not? Surely if you were ratting at a farm and bumped a mink in a ditch at the back you'd expect it to switch. Or if you were bushing you'd expect a dog to go to ground wether the quarry was pushed in or cold marked, or carry on pushing it round cover if not? Never had plummers or intentionally worked a bunnie, lol, but iv seen & had enough terriers of different breeds that I'd not have kept if they didn't hunt/work what ever was infront of them that they weren't broken too.. And IMO that isn't too much to expect from your terrier!?

[Cleanspade 3,324]

they are totally different animals. and i'm sure you will get the exeptions in both breeds. but in general the plummer as a breed is very hard to beat on top. but below ground they arnt in the same league as patts. allthough you do get plummers that work well to ground . and you do get patts that are very versitile. for an allrouder above and below i find a good work bred russell is hard to beat especially if you land on older lines that arnt soaked in lakie blood. jmho

[donnyc 1,203]

Nothing wrong with an early starter as long as you have the brains to hold it back....But if your bushing rabbits and a youngsters got his blood up and most rabbits tend to go into the nearest holes he will try and go to it..A recipe for disaster in my book ..How many trapped terriers are found in rabbity places? ..On the other hand a plummer is a better bet as there aint a great amount of plummers that like the dark..Yes before a plummer enthusiast jumps up there are earth working plummers but they are in a minority good on them if they can keep a line of earth working ones ..Still say a pat would probably be a pain in the arse if it was bred right, for bushing as first chance its to ground on whatever if its been used to rabbits ..Surely many many have tried and it seems the lads serious on bushing use beagle spaniel xs etc..If you have terriers loose working cover and as an alrounder then its naturally going to drop into the first earth it finds or sett ..and it might not be a shallow bugger either ..Recipe for disaster

[alimac 882]

Nothing wrong with an early starter as long as you have the brains to hold it back....But if your bushing rabbits and a youngsters got his blood up and most rabbits tend to go into the nearest holes he will try and go to it..A recipe for disaster in my book ..How many trapped terriers are found in rabbity places? ..On the other hand a plummer is a better bet as there aint a great amount of plummers that like the dark..Yes before a plummer enthusiast jumps up there are earth working plummers but they are in a minority good on them if they can keep a line of earth working ones ..Still say a pat would probably be a pain in the arse if it was bred right, for bushing as first chance its to ground on whatever if its been used to rabbits ..Surely many many have tried and it seems the lads serious on bushing use beagle spaniel xs etc..If you have terriers loose working cover and as an alrounder then its naturally going to drop into the first earth it finds or sett ..and it might not be a shallow bugger either ..Recipe for disaster

Hmmm would all your "recipes for disaster" not simply be prevented by using a locator ?? Not rocket science..

 

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

its not but a 20 minute walk ends up an hours dig

[donnyc 1,203]

Or a night in the cells LOL Or a big spot take more than an hour LOL..Locater or not if its in a bunny place more chance of lack of air digging on ....Not a locater invented to stop a terrier dropping in to undesirable places or illegal ones