Dan McDonough 560 Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 JJM- It's on my way to another place. There are a lot of ways to get there. One might be jagd x b.c. x gh. I just don't know at this point. I'm going to get some experience with the whippets and make decisions as I go. Any ideas you have will be appreciated. I have loads of experience but not in this area. Quote Link to post
Dan McDonough 560 Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Redneck- Noted, good point for night time hunting. I hunt mostly in the day but I do go sneaking around at night occationally. Quote Link to post
Dan McDonough 560 Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Dan- What's the deal with track grayhounds? I have a contact for good GH's but they are track bred. George Bell has done well coursing GH's in the Southwest. From what I read his are a cross of track and show. That being said, I've heard some talk about a few guys in N.M. that have the fastest hardest stuff around. I have not dug into it enough to know what those dogs are made of but I'm thinking about it. I have a long way to go before I'll feel like I have a handle on all of this. Quote Link to post
BEARINATOR 2,871 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Dan- What's the deal with track grayhounds? I have a contact for good GH's but they are track bred. George Bell has done well coursing GH's in the Southwest. From what I read his are a cross of track and show. That being said, I've heard some talk about a few guys in N.M. that have the fastest hardest stuff around. I have not dug into it enough to know what those dogs are made of but I'm thinking about it. I have a long way to go before I'll feel like I have a handle on all of this. Track greys tend to have bad feet mate and bad stamina, I run some on tracks but have a pure working bitch that is a different animal all together Edited December 8, 2012 by BEARINATOR Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Dan- What's the deal with track grayhounds? I have a contact for good GH's but they are track bred. George Bell has done well coursing GH's in the Southwest. From what I read his are a cross of track and show. That being said, I've heard some talk about a few guys in N.M. that have the fastest hardest stuff around. I have not dug into it enough to know what those dogs are made of but I'm thinking about it. I have a long way to go before I'll feel like I have a handle on all of this. Track greys tend to have bad feet mate and bad stamina, I run some on tracks but have a pure working bitch that is a different animal all together they are also prone to injuries on the left hand side of there bodies due to the nature of the tracks they run only having left hand bends Quote Link to post
BEARINATOR 2,871 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Dan- What's the deal with track grayhounds? I have a contact for good GH's but they are track bred. George Bell has done well coursing GH's in the Southwest. From what I read his are a cross of track and show. That being said, I've heard some talk about a few guys in N.M. that have the fastest hardest stuff around. I have not dug into it enough to know what those dogs are made of but I'm thinking about it. I have a long way to go before I'll feel like I have a handle on all of this. Track greys tend to have bad feet mate and bad stamina, I run some on tracks but have a pure working bitch that is a different animal all together they are also prone to injuries on the left hand side of there bodies due to the nature of the tracks they run only having left hand bends That is why I hate them artificial hares 1 Quote Link to post
courseadog 231 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 The thing is these dogs ain't been seen much here just read about Can't see the point of it now but preban may have been handy as A 1/4 for foxing Quote Link to post
Bossie 90 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Would be a cross I'd like. They (the jagd) differ a lot in size, I've seen some up to 17-18" which is a lot bigger than the average border some are comparing them to. The Jagd is by no means an all out digging dog like several Brittish terriers. For me it would be easier to get a good pup from Jagd working lines than from Brittish Terrier working lines. There are some people over here using patterdale/russell to dig to but only a few and like I've said you can find quite big Jagds which would be a better choice imho to use as dam/sire in this cross compared to a smaller border/russell. To me they offer: I can purchase a good working one quite easy, they have lots of drive, they have a very good nose, good feet and can have a good coat. Something else which would be a benefit to me is that the first x/ half x could en up as a leggy/racy Jagd (able to bush and catch a few rabbits) and not looking like a whippet which is banned over here as a working dog. Vocal? Yes some have a tendency to never shut up. Since I keep my dogs indoor this could be an issue, when working over here it's not a problem. Edited December 8, 2012 by Bossie 1 Quote Link to post
Dan McDonough 560 Posted December 8, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wait a mintue! Am I reading that right...you can't walk around with a whippet or a gh in the field? Please tell me I'm having a comprehension problem here. Quote Link to post
Bossie 90 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Wait a mintue! Am I reading that right...you can't walk around with a whippet or a gh in the field? Please tell me I'm having a comprehension problem here. No, you read that just fine. I can't do that. I'd very much like to though. If I'd do that I'd be asking for trouble even if I'm not using the dog as a sighthound/lurcher is supposed to (catching the bunnies), but just for marking. Having a few bunnies in one hand and a whippet/gh in the other can get you into serious trouble. If my neighbours fat lab catches a rabbit, no problem. Which is the main reason why the only one owning a sighthound over here is either a poacher or a hippie of some sort, so very little working sighthounds over here. That's why something fast but not looking like a sighthound/lurcher appeals so much to me. Edited December 8, 2012 by Bossie 1 Quote Link to post
courseadog 231 Posted December 8, 2012 Report Share Posted December 8, 2012 f*****g hell that's draconian It was like that here in the Middle Ages That's who the lurcher was produced It was said that only aristocracy could own a Site hound Who the f**k do these fascist think they are 1 Quote Link to post
Dan McDonough 560 Posted December 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I can't imagine that the rest of the laws are much better if they're capable of making some crap like that up. Ever think of voting with your shoes? Leaving I mean. That sounds like having a nanny well into adulthood...hence the name nanny state. The US is heading that way but nothing close to that yet. Quote Link to post
Bossie 90 Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I can't imagine that the rest of the laws are much better if they're capable of making some crap like that up. Ever think of voting with your shoes? Leaving I mean. That sounds like having a nanny well into adulthood...hence the name nanny state. The US is heading that way but nothing close to that yet. Hahah, actually I have multiple times (thought about leaving). The misses though..... my achilles heel. It does come with benefits like descent health care, pension etc etc. But to be ownest those benefits come at quite a cost, which I'm still willing to pay, at the moment. I'm very happy to live in a tri-border area, when legislation prohibits me to do something over here I still have two options left within a 10mile radius. In case of sight hound hunting, that's banned almost everywhere in continental Europe. Pitty it's so difficult to make the crossing with my own dog. I'd love to hunt with a sighthound and I have some relatives living near Portsmouth which obviously helps, but getting a continental dog across to the UK isn't the easiest/ worth the effort. Other way around is no problem at all. It's those so called animal lovers who eat industrially produced chicken without regret but call me a murderer for catching and killing a rabbit. Unfortunately this idea of animal welfare is everywhere in Dutch society. Supermarkert goods are ok, catching it yourself is ancient and cruel. We even had a sighthound breed of our own, the Friesian/Dutch Greyhound/sighthound which looked a bit like a Greyhound but with a much more heavily muscled rear quarters (because of the land it was used on=clay), narrower chest/shoulders and a very distinct leap/jump when catching rabbit and hare. 50 Years ago it became extinct because of the ban. Quote Link to post
TonyOrmy 128 Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 i think the wippit x jagd will totaly excell in [bANNED TEXT] parts of the world mate go 4 it, they will be very very very game animals ATB tony Quote Link to post
Dan Edwards 1,134 Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 Dan We bred my dog Stitch to Craver's Brin gyp. Stitch stood 28 inches tall and weighed in at about 95 pounds most days. Brin is about a 20 inch gyp or so. I have a young male dog out of them that I call Junior. He stands right at about 25 inches tall and prolly weighs about 60 pounds or so. Pay attention cuz here come some reality for all the fukkin dreamers out there. "HE IS NOT BIG ENOUGH NOR STRONG ENOUGH TO HOLD A COYOTE DOWN BY HIMSELF EVEN WHEN HE LATCHED ONTO THE THROAT." That is a fact and I have seen it several times now. Yes believe it or not that little 30 pound coyote can twist over and stand up and get away from him when he has to dump him again, throat him and hold on but he literally cannot do it. He just doesnt have the size. He has all the heart a dog would need and he WILL NOT quit. He has loads of talent to but the size and power are just not there for the coyote game. He makes a big coon look like a possum though. I aint pickin on Junebug cuz even though I wanna kee the little b*****d at times he puts a smile on my face day after day when I see how hard he tries. I've never had a sighthound type dog with this much stick and stay. He is really won me over in that department. 1 Quote Link to post
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