tandors 888 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 I'm not sure about Starbucks but I've worked in asda for example they only take people on part time contracts or even sometimes 0 hour contracts. This usually results in unless working overtime, not earning enough to pay tax anyway lol and if they do it's minimal. they are hardly wealth creators imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twobob 1,497 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 So Labour spend all the money(as usual), giving benefits and investment to all. Then they get kicked out as they have no idea how to turn the economy around because they invested badly. The Tories get in and have to recoup the money and they are seen as the bad guys. Same as your wife overspends on the credit card, you the husband have to try and pay it off, you tell her to stop spending and you are seen as the bad guy and killjoy. Unless you believe in borrowing more money like Labour to keep up the spending...... so true that........... just shows how bad torys/libdems are after all the cuts still borrowing more than labour ever did 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 just been listening to a piece on the BBC news about the cuts announced yesterday, More money is paid out in benifits to people in work than is paid to people out of work. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nik_B 3,790 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 just been listening to a piece on the BBC news about the cuts announced yesterday, More money is paid out in benifits to people in work than is paid to people out of work. Imagine this...they increase the amount you can earn before paying tax to say 17,000 to 20,000 and cut the massive DSS (or what ever it is called) by 50% because now only the unemployed will get benefits. Makes sense doesn't it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 just been listening to a piece on the BBC news about the cuts announced yesterday, More money is paid out in benifits to people in work than is paid to people out of work. Thats how it should be mate - helping people who are prepared to help themselves.. Or are they trying to demonise those in recipt of working benefits as well now... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 It's a sad truth that there are many many people who live in the UK who not only have decided to live on benifits but think it is an acceptable way of life, this isn't just a "modern generation" we are in some instances 3 generations down the line having the same mentality. "you try surviving on £70.00 a week" is the usual argument of people who choose the way of life but it isn't is it? it's child benifits it's disability living allowence, its working tax credits, its council tax allowance its subsidised rent etc etc the people living this way of life milk the system for all it's worth. All this money has to come from somewhere and it comes from tax payers of which I'm one, my circumstances sound very similar to Nik_Bs working my boll*cks off for the last 25 years to provide for my family, I have two kids would have liked more but decided we couldn't afford them which is the opposite to the guy on benefits more kids and his income increases how does that work Social welfare was intended to help the people in society who have fallen on foul times either through health or forced unemployment and for those reading this who have been made redundant and are trying to get back into work you have my full support and I believe our country should provide you with a financial safety net for several months until your back on your feet and working again. The perpetuation of banging out kids living on benefits and thinking the country owes you a living is the biggest drain on the country today IT DOES NOT, forget super tax, tax the rich and all that at least they are contributing to the economy and if you carry on trying to get them to fill the void created by the social benifits system they will just bugger off and take their business somewhere else. If I sound a little bitter about this when Im working my boll*cks off having 40% of my wage taken off me to pay for the dozen or so guys sat outside the boozer smoking 20 rothmans and drinking ale yes you could say I'm a little irked by it your joking right?? theirs no safety net,well there wasn't for me, I was made redundant in April 2009, i'd normally pay £185 tax and ni a week as i worked all the hours i could get, I used to sit reading all this bullshit in papers about the none working and how much money they got bla bla bla, now i new then it was going to be a struggle to get a job, but me being a mug sucked all that shit up in papers, thinking oh , £65 pound a week rent and every thing paid for we'l be ok.. lol how f*****g wrong was i, the c**ts only gave me £11:23 a week, and you know the shit they said about why i was getting that much was unreal,.............. I'd had 2 month off sick, as i'd fallen from a platform at work on to a steel plate that had just being rolled,(steel mill) done my back in burnt my elbow and hand while i was trying to get off this fecking glowing red hot plate, anyway doc said no you'l need time off, gave me a sick note, so i handed it into work and they paid me SSP1, so now them c**ts at the dole said i had not worked for last full 2 years, so i toled them yes i'd had time off , but on ssp so i was still classed as working, oh no not with them i wasn't, then they said i'd not paid more then £400 tax and ni in the last year, so i was like wft , gets my p60's for the last 2 years so to prove to them it was bull shit, so they looked at my claim, and after 4 weeks i got a letter saying i was only going to get 23p a week...because i was still working??? rang them up feller said same shit, i told him you have my f*****g letter to say i was made redundant, after fiddling about with his pc, he said oh yes sir your right, well redo it as it a mistake, few days later i had to sign on so i went in got f****d about again,wanting me to do this course, i said are you going to be paying for my transport, like last time(getting recoded for welding) got told no not thsi time, so i said her have a read of that letter, so how the f**k am i going to pay for my travel on 23p a week? oh right, but you'l have to do it,,lol singed off and told them to stick it, started GT lure it was a bit slow at the star, had to do work on cars and other shit to get by,t but its keeping us going now, it works out around the same sort of money as i'd get for doing 40 hours a week, in half that time, so get to spend more time with kids so i'm happy now! but when i see people saying people on dole or sick have it easy i think back to them times, and it get my f*****g back up! yeah i know theirs scum out there robbing us blind, but all i'd do is anyone not working pree 2008 and people who've never worked I'd be forcing them into placements ! You see your exactly the type of person that the system SHOULD be helping but the reality is there is so much money being wasted and I mean billions on benifits, fraudulent claims etc they are pissing all the money up the wall so when a genuine claimant walks through the door your means tested and shafted, I don't think redundancy money should be included in the assessment you've worked and paid taxes and that redundancy severance pay should be you reward for the years you've spent working for the company who no longer need your services. Not for some tw*t in a DWP to tell you you can't claim anything. I also STRONGLY believe the means testing should include how much you've paid into the system through PAYE and NI, if I've worked 25 years and contributed thousands and thousands of tax for the govt then when the sh*t hits the fan why should I be competing for money with a guy who's only turned up for a job for a month and packed it in cause it "wasn't for him". Same as the NHS if my hip needs replacing in 20 years time why should I be on the waiting list behind the guy who's made a career out of not working and eating McDonalds all his life. Social welfare is a joke mate but we get what we deserve when we put the cross on the paper. That is exactly the problem and it boils my blood. Like Graham one of my neighbours lost his job and the scum and the DHSS made his life a misery Yet the long term scumbags who have no intention of working don't get this treatment. yeah lads, its a total joke, but how do they go about sorting the scum out now, i mean its ok saying we'l force them to work, but where is the jobs! anyway i'm relay thinking about f*****g off from this place for good, i've got money put away and building on it each week, but tbh the only thing that will put me off is moving the kids Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 just been listening to a piece on the BBC news about the cuts announced yesterday, More money is paid out in benifits to people in work than is paid to people out of work. Imagine this...they increase the amount you can earn before paying tax to say 17,000 to 20,000 and cut the massive DSS (or what ever it is called) by 50% because now only the unemployed will get benefits. Makes sense doesn't it. lies, damned lies and statistics :laugh: The truth is always stranger than fiction it just gets me that the goverment wants to tar all people without a job or on sickness benifits as scroungers when the truth is somewhat different. yes there is fraud but probably at no higher level than people in work on benifits. Why do so many people in full time employment need benifits to survive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 i dont think they are cutting there benefits,just not giving them anymore lol dont know why im laughing im unemployed,fortunaetly not at the stage to go to that shower of shit looking for a hand out. went many years ago to sign on,and walked out after 10mins.i found the whole process demeaning. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Why do so many people in full time employment need benifits to survive Because the cost of living is too high and the wages are too low.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 what i never get my head around is the unemployment figures, they keep saying unemployment is down but the amount of people claiming job seekers is up forgive me for being a tad dense but surely if the amount of people claiming jobsekers is increasing then unemployment must be increasing what they are doing is moving people from one benefit to a new one, then using them figures to say look we are doing a good job!! its all one big game Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 Why do so many people in full time employment need benifits to survive Because the cost of living is too high and the wages are too low.. that itself tells you something, most of the jobs now are part time so benifits make it up to a living wage, How will this get us out of the mess were in. yes the unemployment figures will be down but nothing has changed Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 whatever happened to wages rising to compensate the cost of living.there lies the problem.allowing companies to use cheap labour.while putting this nations people out of work,or forcing them to work for shit money.subsidised by the goverment.there no f*****g logic in that. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 whatever happened to wages rising to compensate the cost of living.there lies the problem.allowing companies to use cheap labour.while putting this nations people out of work,or forcing them to work for shit money.subsidised by the goverment.there no f*****g logic in that. once again it comes full circle and back to the true root cause immigration Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted December 6, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 whatever happened to wages rising to compensate the cost of living.there lies the problem.allowing companies to use cheap labour.while putting this nations people out of work,or forcing them to work for shit money.subsidised by the goverment.there no f*****g logic in that. once again it comes full circle and back to the true root cause immigration But they'l say we need them because we don't have the skill set of some, well why didn't we invest in our young, so they had the skills then the other one is, well you British don't want to do the dirty shit job's.. well if we had a govt with a back bone who'd force the lazy fucks pree 2008 to work then problem solved Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted December 6, 2012 Report Share Posted December 6, 2012 well thats it mate,during the boom years we exploited cheap labour,however now they are close to outnumbering our workforce,and the greedy companies who put profit above all else.what gets me is we all have been affected by the cuts im sure we all feel the pinch (well all us normal folk)then you hear that duncan smith repeating the battle cry "were all in this together" i seriously doubt that you bald f**k.you allow the gas and electric companies to literally boot us in the teeth while were on the ground.yea we all have to draw our belts in,but neither the big companies nor parliment will do anything to affect thier profits,or;lifestyles.the politicians dont even pay for there groceries thinks its 400 a month they get.bet that dont get spent on shopping,couple bottles of champers or a nice port.lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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