Working Bedlingtons 2005

[swanseajack 227]

thank you for takeing the time to put the pics up i have mannaged to get my self a digi cam so hopefully there be a few more in the future. what do you think about the dog fudge? he is about 14/15" and has a brilliant coat when i saw him 12mounths after he left me i was gutted why do we allways get rid of the best 1s? i contacted his owner 2 day and he told me he was very pleased with him. he also has 2 bitches which he plans to breed from useing him! i wonder will they retain that coat and height?

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Looks a pretty level dog at 15", strong head albeit a bit fluffy in the pic, wouldn't mind seeing some pics of him stripped out.

 

More to the point does he work ??? foxes that is.... How old is he now and is he doing it...

[Guest dondog]

Bedlington they sound very similar breeding to mine.

Mine has all that you name in his family tree.

He's an AIDENSFIELD dog.

[swanseajack 227]

Here's part of an e-mail that was sent via PM to me:

 

"Is it me or am I seeing two distinct types of Bedlingtons here.... ones that look like a terrier or at least look physically capable of going to ground and others that can't, but could do the job of a lurcher albeit probably worse. No disrepect to anyone, you live and learn but to me the Bedlington is a terrier."

 

Anyone got any views, comments or constructive critiscism on this ??

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Well I agree with the whole of that, imo there are two types you will always have big ones, small ones, round ribbed ones, flat ribbed ones etc.etc. Saying that, i believe as an earth dog you have to be more critical in the way the dog is built to enable it to work below ground....due to it’s height the dog needs to be narrow, you need flat ribs, chest not too deep but deep enough for the lungs etc to function correctly, perfect shoulders, long back to give flexibility, strong jaw, large teeth these are just a few points that the Bedlington as an earth dog imo needs, but they are not necessarily needed in a Bedlington that works above ground.

 

Printer

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This quote is from an earlier part of this thread, I thought it might be interesting to bring it back into the forefront as again there seems to be 2 types of Bedlingtons about.

 

Is it the K.C registered that are bigger in general and used more for on top work or are there K.C. dogs out there that conform to standard ie less than 16" that are perfoming well to ground?

[bobby 3]

all right [bANNED TEXT].....u r right he does look fluffy but when he is stripped it is hard to part his coat ...he was 4 yrs old last august ...i dont know if he goes to ground i will try and find a bit more about him he must be doing something right or he would have gone by now...thankyou for returning the pics ]

[Hybred 3]

Just goes back to the same old crap ive seen hybrid bedlingtons that are that size, ive bred border x bedlingtons black stuff x beddies and had some pups that were barrel shaped and bigg on the other hand some have turned out to small and thats breeding from stuff that does go to ground i could name a few people that have had them you get big and small in both camps, not that i like saying both camps because we should be looking at keeping the bedlington going as a working dog but as ive asked before please define working.

There will be a lot of dogs out there that don't get the chance to show what there made of but thats life

 

as long as they do what you want does it mater what joe bloggs thinks

 

Hybred

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Hope you lot can read, this may be of some interest.....Taken from one of the dog papers the other year.

 

This is the best beddy thread I have read keep it up lads tis real interesting stuff....

 

[Guest vanstub]

Hope you lot can read, this may be of some interest.....Taken from one of the dog papers the other year.

 

This is the best beddy thread I have read keep it up lads tis real interesting stuff....

 

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GOOD READ THANKS FOR THAT

[Guest dondog]

Swansea a common complaint is that KC Beddies are the big ones .

 

But I find most KC Bedlingtons I have ever seen have been tiny frail things especialy compared to my monster.The rare few you see little old ladies walking are usually only 15 or 16 inches and the show brigade won't win much with one's any bigger.I know this is still one or two inches to tall to take serious as a ground dog ,but it's closer to the right size than many working bred types.

I have seen quite a few working types crosses and pure bred that were the bigger type.

Newcombe himself who most would agree knew a thing or two about Beddies bred some big Beddies including BLUE who was 19 inches and at open stud for Lurcher production.

 

I am in total agreement that Beddies should be more like 14 or 15 inches and because of that as I have said before I would never consider breeding Beddies off mine.I will only use him to produce a Lurcher even though he has every quality you could want in a Beddie but like it has been said many times before by many and by far more knowledgeable people than me small size is important.

[Guest bedlington]

Bedlington they sound very similar breeding to mine.

Mine has all that you name in his family tree.

He's an AIDENSFIELD dog.

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Ive seen both my dogs mothers and they are about 16" it just seems to be the dogs that are big. But that was the case when i had lakeys.Any way its like Jack sez Horses for courses i dont need underground dogs so they suit me

[Guest dondog]

Has any body on here seen a Bedlington catch a rabbit in day light that did not have mixy or only 3 legs in open ground.

Mine is not as whippety as many I have seen but he is tall as you have seen ,but the only ones he's caught in the open have had mixy.He catches them on the lamp and snap around brambles but he stands no chance in the open and I have never seen one that could.

But I remember an article about 12 years or so ago in shooting news I think it was by Les White I think that was his name I remember the name of his dog it was Cliff he said he was a warrener in Northumberland and he claimed his Beddie caught mountains of rabbits he claimed his Beddie caught more in it's first year than most lurchers caught in their lives.If this is true his rabbits must be dam slow or rabbits round here are super rabbits.

 

The article above reminded me of it ,how books ment for the pet/show market always mention that Beddlingtons have whippet in them and were used to catch rabbits.

The funniest I have seen is when they show some fluffy Beddie shaved like a freak and claim that they are fearless silent killers usually in books from the USA.Some may be and have been but not ones like they show in these types of books.

Thinking about it I can't think of breed that has so many myths and total bull written and spoke about them.

A few weeks ago a man out walking he felt the need to talk to me like they do when they see your dog and even though he had never had a Beddie and had never even seen one in the flesh.He started to tell me how fast they were and could even beat whippets .I don't know where he got this pearl of wisdom from but know matter how hard I tried to make him believe it was total bull he was having none of it,he new all about them.

What do I know. :search:

[Guest taz]

dondog been out today 6 bedlingtons rabbits allover not one cought must have very slow terriers ? I think more than a pinch of salt needed. as for size ? I think printer knows more than anybody g newcombs dogs which were flat ribbed and narrow . legs fold chests dont.saying that I have a bich out of his breeding which is only 13 in to small.

[matulkoh 66]

dondog been out today 6 bedlingtons rabbits allover not one cought must have very slow terriers ?  I think more than a pinch of salt needed. as for size ? I think printer knows more than anybody g newcombs dogs which were flat ribbed and narrow . legs fold chests dont.saying that I have a bich out of his breeding which is only 13 in to small.

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hey guys bring some pure bedlingtons from central europe, all of them re good sized, we use them for hunting under or abouve ground. two bitches in czech republick one good in Slovakia and my superb dog, i will have my own puppies in 3years.

[swanseajack 227]

Just goes back to the same old crap  ive seen hybrid bedlingtons that are that size, ive bred border x bedlingtons black stuff x beddies and had some pups that were barrel shaped and bigg on the other hand some have turned out to small and thats breeding from stuff that does go to ground i could name a few people that have had them you get big and small in both camps, not that i like saying both camps because we should be looking at keeping the bedlington going as a working dog  but as ive asked before please define working.

There will be a lot of dogs out there that don't get the chance to show what there made of but thats life

 

as long as they do what you want  does it mater what joe bloggs thinks

 

Hybred

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Is it the K.C registered that are bigger in general and used more for on top work or are there K.C. dogs out there that conform to standard ie less than 16" that are perfoming well to ground?

 

I asked the question as it brings on discussion, keeps the thread going etc etc...

 

I've had big dogs myself, from small 15" bitch...

 

What I see is this, imho and as a generalisation KC show are small, KC working are big, I might be wrong that's why I asked are their KC dogs out there doing the business to ground?

 

And I am definatley not trying to start a " my dogs better than yours" with anyone and I'm not knocking any dog, if you're happy with what you work, excellent.

 

Pic below is of Rusty, close on 17" but way to big round the chest to get in any but the biggest fox hole.

[matulkoh 66]

Just goes back to the same old crap  ive seen hybrid bedlingtons that are that size, ive bred border x bedlingtons black stuff x beddies and had some pups that were barrel shaped and bigg on the other hand some have turned out to small and thats breeding from stuff that does go to ground i could name a few people that have had them you get big and small in both camps, not that i like saying both camps because we should be looking at keeping the bedlington going as a working dog  but as ive asked before please define working.

There will be a lot of dogs out there that don't get the chance to show what there made of but thats life

 

as long as they do what you want  does it mater what joe bloggs thinks

 

Hybred

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Is it the K.C registered that are bigger in general and used more for on top work or are there K.C. dogs out there that conform to standard ie less than 16" that are perfoming well to ground?

 

I asked the question as it brings on discussion, keeps the thread going etc etc...

 

I've had big dogs myself, from small 15" bitch...

 

What I see is this, imho and as a generalisation KC show are small, KC working are big, I might be wrong that's why I asked are their KC dogs out there doing the business to ground?

 

And I am definatley not trying to start a " my dogs better than yours" with anyone and I'm not knocking any dog, if you're happy with what you work, excellent.

 

Pic below is of Rusty, close on 17" but way to big round the chest to get in any but the biggest fox hole.

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guys i dont undrestand, which two kinds of beddy? there s just one and there is a written standard dogs should be 16inches tolerance 2cm, bitches must not be smaller than 15 inches. 17 inches big dog is suitable for what? too big to go underground, big target for wild pigs, not so big as luchers. so what we re talkin about?

[swanseajack 227]

Has any body on here seen a Bedlington catch a rabbit in day light that did not have mixy or only 3 legs in open ground.

Mine is not as whippety as many I have seen but he is tall as you have seen ,but the only ones he's caught in the open have had mixy.He catches them on the lamp and snap around brambles but he stands no chance in the open and I have never seen one that could.

But I remember an article about 12 years or so ago in shooting news I think it was by Les White I think that was his name I remember the name of his dog it was Cliff he said he was a warrener in Northumberland and he claimed his Beddie caught mountains of rabbits he claimed his Beddie caught more in it's first year than most lurchers caught in their lives.If this is true his rabbits must be dam slow or rabbits round here are super rabbits.

 

The article above reminded me of it ,how books ment for the pet/show market always mention that Beddlingtons have whippet in them and were used to catch rabbits.

The funniest I have seen is when they show some fluffy Beddie shaved like a freak and claim that they are fearless silent killers usually in books from the USA.Some may be and have been but not ones like they show in these types of books.

Thinking about it I can't think of breed that has so many myths and total bull written and spoke about them.

A few weeks ago a man out walking he felt the need to talk to me like they do when they see your dog and even though he had never had a Beddie and had never even seen one in the flesh.He started to tell me how fast they were and could even beat whippets .I don't know where he got this pearl of wisdom from but know matter how hard I tried to make him believe it was total bull he was having none of it,he new all about them.

What do I know. :search:

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Good post that Don, never a truer word spoken.

 

Since I've had them I've heard countless tales romantic notions of how good they are at everything and also everyone knows someone who's had one in the past, be it Uncle, Grandpa, neighbours etc... and they were all demon cat killers....

 

p.s. I've never seen one that could catch a rabbit, seen plenty of whippet/bedlingtons that could though..