Working Bedlingtons 2005

[Coursing mad 24 874]

Its s shame but beddy types rarely get a look in at the summer shows now atb

[Wirey 23]

Concur with that CM seen a bedstead at Shane's Castle.. Didn't get a second look.. They re very under stated and not deservedly so...capable terrier and would like to own one that's well bred.

[Keepbordersworking 103]

Mate of mine had a bedlington off a lad from ashington dispatch every fox it went to but sadly was knocked down and killed early in its working life very strong pray drive which was it's undoing

[Coursing mad 24 874]

There like any breed good and bad ones but when you get a good beddy they really do the job atb

[morton 5,368]

Concur with that CM seen a bedstead at Shane's Castle.. Didn't get a second look.. They re very under stated and not deservedly so...capable terrier and would like to own one that's well bred.

Im of a different opinion,there is a certain amount of dis-honesty in Bedlingtons and their breeding now,thats why its difficult to get honest recognition for the Bedlington as a Working Terrier,especially as the vast majority bred are not suited to honest terrier work,thus the reputation that follows the breed,much of it deserved.Until folk do their research and only source and breed from honest stock the Bedlington as a recognised grafter will only be known to a small and dedicated minority,whilst the majority of owners are intent on milking the cash cow and extracting the dollar from the gullible souls about that fall prey to their dis-honest sales pitch.As soon as a litter is advertised "bred from working stock",don,t believe one word of it,unless you see at least one of the parents down an hole getting in contact and grafting,ill GUARANTEE that if you insist on this the vast,vast majority of Working Bedlington breeders will run and hide.In todays political climate nobody wants a total stranger afoot in the fields with them,if they are invited to your permission and see your dog graft first,that should cover any lingering doubts.

[fat man 4,741]

There like any breed good and bad ones but when you get a good beddy they really do the job atb

I reckon it all depends on what you want the dog to work,if its cover or bushing then yes same as any other breed good and bad but if its earth work then you will find there are a lot more bad than good,i would even go as far as to say the % of working bedlingtons as an earth dog are very low on the scale,jmo.

[TOPPER 1,809]

fatman theres a lot of truth in what yourself and Morton say the problem is people don't give bedys a chance of earthwork it much easier to get a black dog foe earthwork as any idiot can get it to work the bedlington is an all rounder it will bush retrieve shot game go to ground do whatever is required of it like all breeds its finding the workers the one s with history behind them as Morton said to many nuggets are in it for the coin and this has fcked many good working lines

[neil cooney 10,416]

Topper, you say any idiot can get a black dog to work.

I disagree, any idiot can stop them working but it takes a terrierman to enter them and keep them at it.

 

Back to Bedlingtons. I've seen a couple of interviews with Mr Newcombe over the years and I'd say he was a grand sort who'd be worth a listen too.

But, IMO, he had a couple of funny opinion regarding terrierwork. He once said that badger digging should never ever have gone on.

Now, I can assume GN worked terriers when badger digging was legal. So why did he persevere with a breed back then that tends to be too big for a lot of fox work ??

Maybe this has been covered earlier in the thread but I've always wondered anyway.

Fair play to him for sticking with an old breed though.

[fat man 4,741]

fatman theres a lot of truth in what yourself and Morton say the problem is people don't give bedys a chance of earthwork it much easier to get a black dog foe earthwork as any idiot can get it to work the bedlington is an all rounder it will bush retrieve shot game go to ground do whatever is required of it like all breeds its finding the workers the one s with history behind them as Morton said to many nuggets are in it for the coin and this has fcked many good working lines

Topper,there are people into every breed of dog goin just for a quick buck.The difference between the beddy's and we will just say as you said black dogs is that a far greater % of black dogs work to a high standard than a beddy,same as russells,lakeys,and i would even go as far as saying it it easier to find good working borders than to find good working bedlingtons.I am in no way knocking the breed but its just the way its gone,for instance how many honest earth working bedlingtons do you know of apart from your own,i can think of none on this side of the water and i have seen a few,even some that were brought over here on wknd trips,but in every other yard about you will find good working black terriers and so on.Fair play to you and your mates for sticking with the breed and as you said,they are a versatile dog but as all i do is dig then thay are not for me.

[TOPPER 1,809]

neil , any decent bred black dog will drop to ground to what standard it will work is down to the owner some are terriermen some just nuggets with dogs ,

 

GN recognized the bedy was on a downward turn the sizes were all over the place dogs in GN s yard were 13in to 19in some had very poor coats etc so he done his outcross program some to the border some to the lakie the results were very interesting but as time has marched on and others like myself have outcrossed and worked our bedys IMO the bedy are in a far better place today , the lines today will breed true to type and most have better coats an are fit for purpose unlike 99% of there kc cousins which are nothing more than bags of wind

[neil cooney 10,416]

Thanks Topper, and best of luck keeping them going.

IMO if Mr Newcombe had been working his terriers to badger in those legal days he would have set the bloodlines in concrete for those coming behind him.

But that was his choice.

[morton 5,368]

Thanks Topper, and best of luck keeping them going.

IMO if Mr Newcombe had been working his terriers to badger in those legal days he would have set the bloodlines in concrete for those coming behind him.

But that was his choice.

Newcombe and many of the terrier men in his vicinity were born and bred Dales and Fell folk,FOX COUNTRY,they bred terriers to hunt the Dales and Fells,the original Borders,Lakelands,Bedlingtons and the Blacks spawned from them were originally bred to hunt Fox,obviously,at times,they may have also earned their snap in a Sett or three.The terriers of olde were expected to acquit themselves to suit the location,Bedlingtons were a versatile breed that carried many a Lakey,Border and Fell breeding in its earlier heritage,Newcombe attempted to rescue the Bedlington from the KC nuggets that were hell bent on its ribbon chasing destruction,George would most certainly never have bred the Bedlington to be a Badger dog,a versatile mutt that could work rabbit on a Monday,rat on a Thursday,pig on a bank holiday and Fox the rest of the year,perhaps?.

[Coursing mad 24 874]

Justa question to the boys who use there beddies for digging . Do you slso use them for work on top ie bushing rabbits and other game or do you think it would affect them as such for eartth work ? Just after opinions atb

[morton 5,368]

Justa question to the boys who use there beddies for digging . Do you slso use them for work on top ie bushing rabbits and other game or do you think it would affect them as such for eartth work ? Just after opinions atb

The best terrier ive ever owned,she grafted hard until she was into her ninth season,lost vision in one eye because of ash places,lost her sense of smell because of a serious nose injury with a determined fox,she was 9 at the time,i never dug to her,never needed to,she worked on top for years and took up the reins that another 2 terriers of a different sort could never have matched,i used her as a more than useful ferreting companion,an illustrious ratter,a mutt that could find rabbit,fox or bambi on piece work,caught 3 hares off their seat before they had chance to rise and could be entered anywhere and i mean anywhere,then get the job done,ive never seen a terrier that could work rock like she did,id be happy to admit that at least 90% of her graft was on top,The 10% below was possibly more productive than many? terriers see in their lifetime,possibly.This little bitch made me realise how versatile a terrier could be,before i realised it.Everything ive bred since is solely to replicate her,ive come close with some i have now,yet until you no longer have them at your side do you realise how good they possibly where.Possibly why im certainly in the top 1 of the Beddy fan brigade.

[Night Walker 591]

 

Justa question to the boys who use there beddies for digging . Do you slso use them for work on top ie bushing rabbits and other game or do you think it would affect them as such for eartth work ? Just after opinions atb

 

The best terrier ive ever owned,she grafted hard until she was into her ninth season,lost vision in one eye because of ash places,lost her sense of smell because of a serious nose injury with a determined fox,she was 9 at the time,i never dug to her,never needed to,she worked on top for years and took up the reins that another 2 terriers of a different sort could never have matched,i used her as a more than useful ferreting companion,an illustrious ratter,a mutt that could find rabbit,fox or bambi on piece work,caught 3 hares off their seat before they had chance to rise and could be entered anywhere and i mean anywhere,then get the job done,ive never seen a terrier that could work rock like she did,id be happy to admit that at least 90% of her graft was on top,The 10% below was possibly more productive than many? terriers see in their lifetime,possibly.This little bitch made me realise how versatile a terrier could be,before i realised it.Everything ive bred since is solely to replicate her,ive come close with some i have now,yet until you no longer have them at your side do you realise how good they possibly where.Possibly why im certainly in the top 1 of the Beddy fan brigade.

Any chance you could put a pic up mate would be nice to see the dog, sounds like a class animal