Simoman 110 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Every so often the same people come on here slagging the CMW off, but listen, how many other field sports publications would even dream of including lurcher and terrier work in their publications? In a publication that is not underground. Penny they don't print it for the community, its a business and lurcher/terrier lads are a huge proportion of that number. I hate the term underground magazine, Plummer used to use that one.......... And we all know what the quote implies Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Skycat I still think the paper is expensive toilet roll Bless you! Can't you afford the soft stuff? Or does it give you some degree of satisfaction to scratch your arse with a pic of a dog or two? :tongue2: 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,480 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 No Charts: what it actually says, is: Poachers are dangerous and violent criminals....etc. So whilst it doesn't actually say the word 'all', it is implied. What is of most concern is that these words appear right next to a photo of a dog coursing a hare, which is in the Poacher Watch pamphlet. So it is really causing the reader to associate violent crime with hare coursers. Like I said earlier, there are a lot of people quietly doing their thing, but its the actions of a very small minority who are damaging the lurcherman's reputation still further: like we really need that sort of bad publicity! Who is giving the bad publicity ? The "very small minority"; or the CMW and Poacher Watch ?? Cheers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Moscow Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Skycat I still think the paper is expensive toilet roll Bless you! Can't you afford the soft stuff? Or does it give you some degree of satisfaction to scratch your arse with a pic of a dog or two? :tongue2: ...... It depends who's dogs they are Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Every so often the same people come on here slagging the CMW off, but listen, how many other field sports publications would even dream of including lurcher and terrier work in their publications? In a publication that is not underground. Penny they don't print it for the community, its a business and lurcher/terrier lads are a huge proportion of that number. I hate the term underground magazine, Plummer used to use that one.......... Alright, magazines not available on shop shelves: better? Course its a business; but a business is only viable if it sells what its producing. The more controversial the stuff they print, the better it sells, like any newspaper or magazine: do you really think that the CMW staff are unaware of marketing tactics? A successful paper will contain a mixture of informative, entertaining and controversial articles. And like I already said, we lurcher and terrier people are the smallest faction within field sports and hunting, when compared to shooting or fishing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Every so often the same people come on here slagging the CMW off, but listen, how many other field sports publications would even dream of including lurcher and terrier work in their publications? In a publication that is not underground. Penny they don't print it for the community, its a business and lurcher/terrier lads are a huge proportion of that number. I hate the term underground magazine, Plummer used to use that one.......... Alright, magazines not available on shop shelves: better? Course its a business; but a business is only viable if it sells what its producing. The more controversial the stuff they print, the better it sells, like any newspaper or magazine: do you really think that the CMW staff are unaware of marketing tactics? A successful paper will contain a mixture of informative, entertaining and controversial articles. And like I already said, we lurcher and terrier people are the smallest faction within field sports and hunting, when compared to shooting or fishing. that may be the case in numbers participating in those sports but i suggest not when it comes to who buys this publication Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I don't know about in your area Charts, but there have been several items on Look East (my local area news programme) over the last few years. If the public didn't know what hare coursing was before, they certainly know all about it now. I've even had an old woman walking her dog past us when we were ferreting. I saw her standing and watching so went over to her to bid her good morning: she said that she hadn't known what to do because she thought that we might have been hare coursers! Amid scare mongering by the police, and prejudiced items by the media, the public are ever more confused, scared and witless about any form of hunting which includes dogs of whatever type. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,480 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 I don't know about in your area Charts, but there have been several items on Look East (my local area news programme) over the last few years. If the public didn't know what hare coursing was before, they certainly know all about it now. I've even had an old woman walking her dog past us when we were ferreting. I saw her standing and watching so went over to her to bid her good morning: she said that she hadn't known what to do because she thought that we might have been hare coursers! Amid scare mongering by the police, and prejudiced items by the media, the public are ever more confused, scared and witless about any form of hunting which includes dogs of whatever type. Well that didn't answer my question, but to answer yours; I'm lucky enought to live in an area where hunting is still tolerated. The tabloids do a good enough job of sensationalising hunting and coursing, exagerating and twisting the facts, without any help from a weekly magazine that is supposed to support us ! I can see your situation in defending CMW, but they did thereselves no favours with that article, and hopefully it will reflect in thier circulation. Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 If I honestly thought that the CMW had it in for lurchers, I wouldn't even dream of writing for them. Believe it or not, I have some honour, and I make much more in a week cleaning peoples' houses than I do from writing so its definitely not the money. I do understand what you are saying though. If there hadn't been that photo of a dog coursing a hare in that article then lurcher men wouldn't have felt targeted, and none of this furore on this forum would have happened ... or would it? One of the Poacher Watches was set up to combat deer poachers: but they don't say what kind of poachers! Dog men or guns? Both are being used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chartpolski 23,480 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 Couldn't CMW simply have printed a disclaimer ? Something like; " These are the words and views of Poacher Watch, not the views of CMW and it's editors" ?? Cheers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weasle 1,119 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 No way that page should have been printed,I haven't brought the cmw for a good while and brought it last week,I really had to look twice.. It wasn't news,It is proper gander,I don't like how some go about there hunting,But that page wasn't about the bad minority or majority?It was making out any one out was stealing etc."Don't try and approach anyone you see out hunting" How would any one go about getting permission if even the so called cmw is saying well actually there going to steal your diesel,quad,combine and sell smack to your kids. Very bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Moscow Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 The simple answer to this is..... dont buy the paper Quote Link to post Share on other sites
graham4877 1,181 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 My problem with it, is the photo of a lurcher and hare , then the words "poacher watch", why not someone with a gun and an NV scope on, or someone with snares/ longnets???... then the words Poachers are dangerous and violent criminals.. where is it could of been said SOME poachers can be dangerous,, so what they are trying to do is get everyone to phone the police when they see anyone with a lurcher, permission or not, and in turn getting more dogs slotted and helping the lacs use them f*****g figures to say the hunting act is working! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
whippet 99 2,613 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 if you poach your a criminal who has comitted an illegal act, so basically because your a criminal they associate you as violent etc,..................for the sake of a bit of game, it doesnt put you no where near other criminals ,murders , peadoes etc................................they need to stop reading the old poachers tales what are aload of bollocks and open there eyes................ people thrive on hearsay with out looking at the facts .......................no wonder dog lads are on the defense and may be a bit paranoid lol put it this way i would sooner spend a night in the cell with a poacher than any other criminal............... i think there should be another word to describe people who drive fields etc poaching as its a discrace to a proper poacher,..............the ones you dont hear and see , the old school type , there like ghosts ,...............and they respect everything in the countryside and cause no harm,..................but these mindless idots are in another league ................ 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted December 4, 2012 Report Share Posted December 4, 2012 My problem with it, is the photo of a lurcher and hare , then the words "poacher watch", why not someone with a gun and an NV scope on, or someone with snares/ longnets???... then the words Poachers are dangerous and violent criminals.. where is it could of been said SOME poacher can be dangerous,, so what they are trying to do is get everyone to phone the police when they see anyone with a lurcher, permission or not, and in turn getting more dogs slotted and helping the lacs use them f*****g figures to say the hunting act is working! its no different to what the main stream media has been doing for years youve only got to think back to craven and his coursing bit on countryfile and how no presenter can mention the word badger without making some refference to baiting in the next sentence, all trying to give the public the idear that ALL hunting with dogs is illegal and as such must be linked to criminals and organised crime, so call the police on sight. A very clever way to enforce a total ban when in reality one doesnt exist. That begs the question why did they publish it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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