Working without a slip lead.

[paulus 26]

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:19, snoopdog said:

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:14, paulus said:

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:11, snoopdog said:

just a question for you lads who work of slip while lamping ..if a rabbit bolts lets say 15 yards of you while you are walking and your dog hears it would it go for the bunny...

depends if the batteries in its hearing aid were ok or not

the lamp is off your walking a field a rabbit bolts near you ..your dogs hearing aid has you good battries in..would your or anybody elses dog go for it or would it wait till you hissed,if it wasnt on the slip,,or whatever the noise you make when you want you dog to chase ...

nightime mine will be just looking for the lamp, daytime noses and tail will be to the floor its just down to training and what they get used to and how far you think you need to take it

[snoopdog 1,256]

a dog that works of the slip and a rabbit jumps near it and does not chase unless given a comand will eventually start to pick its runs wether it be in its 2nd 3rd or 4th season ...it will start to choose what it runs ..because it lacks prey drive ..ive seen it on more then one occasion..now you lads that do work of slip and you think your dogs is well trained ..it may well be ..and you may say iam talking shite ..but i can only say of what ive seen,,and its a lack of prey drive..now we are all happy with different training abilltys .and different qualitys in a dog but that type of dog aint for me...

[moonlighter 1,164]

I work mine with a slip lead, but when the night is over and I'm walking back, I offen let them off the lead and let them hunt up and I've accounted for a fair bit of game this way. Stuff offen lays up in dyke bottoms and bits of cover.

[Huwidge 69]

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:33, snoopdog said:

a dog that works of the slip and a rabbit jumps near it and does not chase unless given a comand will eventually start to pick its runs wether it be in its 2nd 3rd or 4th season ...it will start to choose what it runs ..because it lacks prey drive ..ive seen it on more then one occasion..now you lads that do work of slip and you think your dogs is well trained ..it may well be ..and you may say iam talking shite ..but i can only say of what ive seen,,and its a lack of prey drive..now we are all happy with different training abilltys .and different qualitys in a dog but that type of dog aint for me...

 

agreed

[Ray Mears 272]

a dog that sits by your side off a lead while it can see something in the beam just aint for me. i drather a mut be straining at the slip if i am honest. as snoop said its surley lacking in prey drive its natural for a dog to want to chase stuff so when a rabbit gets up 10 yards in front surley the dog should be all over it not waiting around for you to tell it the magic word

Edited November 20, 2012 by Ray Mears

[chartpolski 25,040]

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:33, snoopdog said:

a dog that works of the slip and a rabbit jumps near it and does not chase unless given a comand will eventually start to pick its runs wether it be in its 2nd 3rd or 4th season ...it will start to choose what it runs ..because it lacks prey drive ..ive seen it on more then one occasion..now you lads that do work of slip and you think your dogs is well trained ..it may well be ..and you may say iam talking shite ..but i can only say of what ive seen,,and its a lack of prey drive..now we are all happy with different training abilltys .and different qualitys in a dog but that type of dog aint for me...

 

This is like being to be able to call a dog off quarry mid chase ! Is it good training....... or lack of heart/drive ? I tend towards the latter.

Cheers.

[old real tree 92]

i normally run mine on a slip but if i go out with boys who run them free i have hever had a problem, they just gotta learn

[littlefish 587]

  On 20/11/2012 at 19:35, chartpolski said:

I admire a man and dog that can TRULY work without a slip ! I was out last night, local, just me and two of the dogs. I worked them individualy, from the slip on the way out; but on the way back I had them off the slip. They stay within 5' to10' of me, and looked down the beam.... until there is something in the beam, and then they are OFF !! LOL !! So I wouldn't consider that "working without a slip" ! but as I say, well done to those who can TRULY work a dog without a slip !!

 

Cheers.

 

So on the way back, were they both off the slip at the same time? If so, did they both chase at the same time on the same bunny in the beam? Would you be fearful of collisions causing injury or scraps breaking out between the dogs?

[malc1 544]

if a rabbit gets up when mine are with me they take off i put the lamp on and let them have it

[Ray Mears 272]

everything is compliated on the hunting life....

[chartpolski 25,040]

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:47, littlefish said:

  On 20/11/2012 at 19:35, chartpolski said:

I admire a man and dog that can TRULY work without a slip ! I was out last night, local, just me and two of the dogs. I worked them individualy, from the slip on the way out; but on the way back I had them off the slip. They stay within 5' to10' of me, and looked down the beam.... until there is something in the beam, and then they are OFF !! LOL !! So I wouldn't consider that "working without a slip" ! but as I say, well done to those who can TRULY work a dog without a slip !!

 

Cheers.

 

So on the way back, were they both off the slip at the same time? If so, did they both chase at the same time on the same bunny in the beam? Would you be fearful of collisions causing injury or scraps breaking out between the dogs?

 

To answer your questions one at a time;

 

1; Yes.

 

2; It wasn't "bunnies" I was out for.

 

3; No.

 

4; Definately no.

 

Cheers.

[snoopdog 1,256]

in the daytime when iam running local my dogs are of the slip 90% of the time hunting up and finding quarry .i would say my animals are pretty well trained ..but if somthing jumps out of a seat or out of rushers or cover. whatever they bolt out off.. it doesnt matter how close the dog is next to me i havent a chance of calling them off ..i would be dissapointed if i could ..now dont get me wrong i have been in a few circumstances where i would of loved to be able to call them off ..roads or opps theres sombody walking there who i didnt see ect ect ..but not being able to call them off far out weighs the times i wish i could.i may be going of topic here but they both amount to the same thing a dog waiting for a command so it can go and chase in my opinion has real lack of prey drive...i want a dog to want its quarry more then anything .more then any command you can give it.but we are all diffrent and want diffrent things from our dogs.. just adding my opinion ..

[Ray Mears 272]

  On 20/11/2012 at 22:02, chartpolski said:

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:47, littlefish said:

  On 20/11/2012 at 19:35, chartpolski said:

I admire a man and dog that can TRULY work without a slip ! I was out last night, local, just me and two of the dogs. I worked them individualy, from the slip on the way out; but on the way back I had them off the slip. They stay within 5' to10' of me, and looked down the beam.... until there is something in the beam, and then they are OFF !! LOL !! So I wouldn't consider that "working without a slip" ! but as I say, well done to those who can TRULY work a dog without a slip !!

 

Cheers.

 

So on the way back, were they both off the slip at the same time? If so, did they both chase at the same time on the same bunny in the beam? Would you be fearful of collisions causing injury or scraps breaking out between the dogs?

 

To answer your questions one at a time;

 

1; Yes.

 

2; It wasn't "bunnies" I was out for.

 

3; No.

 

4; Definately no.

 

Cheers.

 

 

 

so what were you after chartpolski rats..........

[bendrover 556]

  On 20/11/2012 at 22:03, snoopdog said:

in the daytime when iam running local my dogs are of the slip 90% of the time hunting up and finding quarry .i would say my animals are pretty well trained ..but if somthing jumps out of a seat or out of rushers or cover. whatever they bolt out off.. it doesnt matter how close the dog is next to me i havent a chance of calling them off ..i would be dissapointed if i could ..now dont get me wrong i have been in a few circumstances where i would of loved to be able to call them off ..roads or opps theres sombody walking there who i didnt see ect ect ..but not being able to call them off far out weighs the times i wish i could.i may be going of topic here but they both amount to the same thing a dog waiting for a command so it can go and chase in my opinion has real lack of prey drive...i want a dog to want its quarry more then anything .more then any command you can give it.but we are all diffrent and want diffrent things from our dogs.. just adding my opinion ..

i agree totally with that but i knew a dog once that was one of the best hunters you would see.in his 4th season he started to stash on rabbits . it had killed countless numbers of bunnies.But i can honestly say that dog was keeping itself for the big ears the dog had some pray drive and stamina to work a moor for 4 hours hunting up at about a quarter of his running pace. i would bet my house on it that dog would NEVER cock on a hare. oh aye ,the dogs name was yogi

[TOMO 27,022]

  On 20/11/2012 at 21:11, snoopdog said:

just a question for you lads who work of slip while lamping ..if a rabbit bolts lets say 15 yards of you while you are walking and your dog hears it would it go for the bunny...

 

Venus would be off mate, in fact she cought one the other day doing exactly that,,, I herd her go from my side flicked the lamp straight on , and had one in the bag.