jacob 28 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 mr brown will just smack our arses for more tax on everything and more feckin laws,heres the man that should be sittin in number 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
COMPO 54 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Agree with most of that Compo but would just add that a lot of Scots can't stick labour either and Scottish mp's shouldn't be voting on matters that only concern England. mackay , just like to point out nothing against the scottish or welsh people, just that old miners and old dockers make up a lot of voters and have obviously influenced there kids to follow suit and vote labour we need the welsh and scottish tory constituents to try harder and change it for us all, but do you think they will be able to change cardiff,swansea and glasgow??? edited to add, regarding the scottish Mp's it really is a disgrace that everyone has a vote at Westminster yet only scots can (rightfully) have a say in the scottish parliment (same for n.ireland and wales) yet they also get a say in Westminster that governs all the UK and England doesn't have its own voice other than the one that can be outvoted by scots and welsh at westminster!! Thought i would explain that better Although i agree with most of what you said about scot mp,s voting in westminster and scotland and wales for years being strongholds for labour,things are a changing up here in scotland,the local elections up here for instance,labour lost !! What you need to remember aswell is in the past scotland,wales and most of northern england were heavy industry areas where the tories done a lot of damage and back then you had only two votes really( labour or tory )so a lot of votes went to labour to get thatcher and her minions out of power,i think you will find the same pattern developed in the north of england right down into the midlands where miners and the like suffered under the thatcher rule. Look im not looking for the old england v,s scotland argument here,im from mining stock myself and i would never vote for the labour scum !! and i do see where your coming from but i thought there was a few facts that should be known about the points you made, cheers gary Gary true words and they actually emphasis the point i was trying to make, i am Yorkshire born and bred and now live in the home counties, my mother,brother and in laws live in an ex-mining village so i understand the north of england , my dad is a labour voter and an ex-union man, i understand the politic's involved and am probably from a similar background, i would never vote for these jokers either and it is true it was (and still is) a two horse race I am glad that labour lost in your local elections, thats the grass roots of politics, and i agree about the thatcher years etc...these are what a lot of old and new labour supporters are still voting along, but they are vastly wrong , now i live in the south east and work in London i see the liberal elite that are new labour, they are rich lawyers from Islington essentially and represent the working man bollox, they are just against the establishment, and the enarer you get to new labour and old tories, i would never vote labour as they are just meddling human rights lawyers yes Conservative is the old boys club, and are rich toff's but a damn sight better than the feckers running the show at the minute Gary i have trouble explaining sometimes, but i feel we are on the same side and Jacob you must be having a laugh, although the BNP i can understand, i cant ever see them being in a position to challenge Labour nor UKIP doing the same, and all other right wing (and very right wing) parties do is take votes from the tories, a sensible middle is the tories and i make no secret of who i will vote for, the hunting and shooting toff's that are the conservatives Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest WILF Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 (edited) When the BNP realise that they have to get shot of the bonehead element of there following and get some people in who have a head on there shoulders and realise how to market a party to victory........then you may just see some major change? As for Brown......another twat Cameron..........Tony Blair in a blue shirt The torys have been as crap an opposition as Labour have been a crap government.......wankers one and all Politics in this country is dead............and thats just how they like it Edited June 27, 2007 by WILF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gaz 284 Posted June 27, 2007 Report Share Posted June 27, 2007 Agree with most of that Compo but would just add that a lot of Scots can't stick labour either and Scottish mp's shouldn't be voting on matters that only concern England. mackay , just like to point out nothing against the scottish or welsh people, just that old miners and old dockers make up a lot of voters and have obviously influenced there kids to follow suit and vote labour we need the welsh and scottish tory constituents to try harder and change it for us all, but do you think they will be able to change cardiff,swansea and glasgow??? edited to add, regarding the scottish Mp's it really is a disgrace that everyone has a vote at Westminster yet only scots can (rightfully) have a say in the scottish parliment (same for n.ireland and wales) yet they also get a say in Westminster that governs all the UK and England doesn't have its own voice other than the one that can be outvoted by scots and welsh at westminster!! Thought i would explain that better Although i agree with most of what you said about scot mp,s voting in westminster and scotland and wales for years being strongholds for labour,things are a changing up here in scotland,the local elections up here for instance,labour lost !! What you need to remember aswell is in the past scotland,wales and most of northern england were heavy industry areas where the tories done a lot of damage and back then you had only two votes really( labour or tory )so a lot of votes went to labour to get thatcher and her minions out of power,i think you will find the same pattern developed in the north of england right down into the midlands where miners and the like suffered under the thatcher rule. Look im not looking for the old england v,s scotland argument here,im from mining stock myself and i would never vote for the labour scum !! and i do see where your coming from but i thought there was a few facts that should be known about the points you made, cheers gary Gary true words and they actually emphasis the point i was trying to make, i am Yorkshire born and bred and now live in the home counties, my mother,brother and in laws live in an ex-mining village so i understand the north of england , my dad is a labour voter and an ex-union man, i understand the politic's involved and am probably from a similar background, i would never vote for these jokers either and it is true it was (and still is) a two horse race I am glad that labour lost in your local elections, thats the grass roots of politics, and i agree about the thatcher years etc...these are what a lot of old and new labour supporters are still voting along, but they are vastly wrong , now i live in the south east and work in London i see the liberal elite that are new labour, they are rich lawyers from Islington essentially and represent the working man bollox, they are just against the establishment, and the enarer you get to new labour and old tories, i would never vote labour as they are just meddling human rights lawyers yes Conservative is the old boys club, and are rich toff's but a damn sight better than the feckers running the show at the minute Gary i have trouble explaining sometimes, but i feel we are on the same side and Jacob you must be having a laugh, although the BNP i can understand, i cant ever see them being in a position to challenge Labour nor UKIP doing the same, and all other right wing (and very right wing) parties do is take votes from the tories, a sensible middle is the tories and i make no secret of who i will vote for, the hunting and shooting toff's that are the conservatives Compo,thanks for understanding where i was coming from and i agree we are proberly from the same background but i wouldnt say were on the same side as i for one wouldnt vote tory,even although they seem to be the party who would most likley reverse the hunting ban,and as you can guess hunting is a big part of my life and to see it overturned would make me a happy man,so to say i wouldnt vote for your choice of party is not said lightly. The reasons,well i will not lie here,partly is down to respect for my father being a miner under the thatcher era,but more recently because...........well lets face it,these gimps are just new labour with a axe to grind, from the same backround who are only in politics to benefit themselves,same party with a different colour pinned to their smart suits !! So mate im now a nationlist who will vote for independence,not because of any anti-english feeling ect but because i dont trust any of the big two anymore,just like two peas in a pod in my opinion but im well aware of the risks of my choice of politics but thats a risk im willing to take Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mole catcher 1 Posted June 28, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 politics seem a many faced animal, changing as it suits. but what ive found interesting is reading peoples views and how the old wounds from the thatcher yrs still burn hard. Ok i dont come from a mining town so i cant for one moment begin to understand the hart ache of seeing all the pits close and with it the seemingly end to many a mans working life and work coulture. What i have seen however is the blatant lies and misstruths of this new labour. I live in a labour run area with our local MP being one of the worst at helping sort the real issues, rather wanting to get his picture in the local press for things like attending the local am drams version of kane and able and shite like that but when faced with the real problems his fav saying is its out of his hands. I for one wish the conservitives had a stronger figure head at the helm of the party, had there been someone stronger than the pupet master mr major, at the time of blairs rise in popularity i dont think you would have him gain power to the extent he did. Is cameron making the same misstake by not hounding the labour party over all its lies, sleaze and feck ups whilst its been in power? and in doing this made himself again to look like a wishy washy party leader and not a viable vote in many peoples eyes? But as allready said has the past tory damage been such that many wont vote for them because of this mark they left? as a southerner its good to read folks oppinions from wales and scotland and hearing their views on how the differant govenments voting makes big impacts on how this country is run as a whole. thanks for sharing your views good debate as for gordon brown getting my vote when he finnaly calls for a general ellection ( been looking to find a place to use that imocom ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
smudgersmith 2 Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Now blair has left the big house and that lovely fellow mr brown has taken over, whats folks views on the way he will make his mark? More so will he in anyway re-shape hunting as it stands at this moment in time? Another Scotsmans in power in No.10 Why was it that until last year there were more Westminister MPS for Scotland per voter than England, dispite the fact they cannot vote on Scottish domestic issues. !!!. Scot MP's should not be ministers for English Departments only, Brown spent £1,126 extra per person in Scotland than in England in 2004/5. WHY. BLAIR said to the Scot Parliament they were a "Proud and historic nation" ( which I totally agree with) but "there is no such nationaility as English". Rant over, to our friends over the border, England for self governing.!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest little_lloyd Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Hes not a true primeminister in my eyes We should of been given a choice not just have this twat chucked infront of us Cant see him giving a toss about the countryside Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tallyho 181 Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Im with jacob. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pipey Magregor 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 mr brown will just smack our arses for more tax on everything and more feckin laws,heres the man that should be sittin in number 10 I agree with some of what the BNP says, I'd at least like to see our current government show the type of balls they're ready to show. But I do feel they'll take us back a good 50 years if they were in power, I'm personaly looking for something thats going to take us forward prosperously without turning the country into a bunch of liberal limp wristed w*nk stains! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest borderboys Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Bunch of W**kers them labour folk, Hes gonna be just as much of a tw*t as blair was. As for the b*n being lifted no chance. I agree with compo if you dont care about the future of our country ( which is now over run with immergrants thanks to them w**kers) or care for the future of your kids, sport etc. carry on voting labour Dont waste your vote and give another party a chance, dont wanna influence your vote though (BNP) regards border boys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
elma-fudd 0 Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 There is a well substantiated rumour that gordon brown is a shirt lifter. I bet he hopes that never makes front line news. your not wrong there Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gaz 284 Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 There is a well substantiated rumour that gordon brown is a shirt lifter. I bet he hopes that never makes front line news. your not wrong there It will not make a diffrence one way or another because with brown in power were all going to get arse-raped anyway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest borderboys Posted June 28, 2007 Report Share Posted June 28, 2007 Bring back Enoch Powell, he'll sort things out Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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