gonetoearth 5,144 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The israiles can keep targeting high profile target as long as the want and there is fook all hamas can do about it but whinge Hamas throw old missiles over and the isralies defence force have target practise , they wont send in the merka or sabas tank becase they know the pr that awaits hamaskids and women jumping. In front of tanks etc , they might go in and snatch a few leaders at some point , who do you think sets the lasar guided missile target up the israiles come and go as they please. This has been going on for decades and will carry on for decades. OH AND HAS ANY ONE SEEN THE SPECIAL MIDDLE EAST ENVOY LATLEY MR ANTHONY BLAIR !!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWSBOY 306 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. israel cannot win either, they must stop the land grab and killing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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JohnGalway 1,043 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. israel cannot win either, they must stop the land grab and killing. I don't see anyone able to stop them. Despite the backing of how many oil/gas rich nations? Even Pakistan don't like them, and they DO have nuclear weapons. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. thats no reason not to fight Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. thats no reason not to fight It is when the result is the slaughter of your own people. The very best they can hope for is a negotiated settlement with Israel. That won't happen until Israel feels it's own security is guarenteed. As long as terrorist organisations control the Palestinians they'll continue in this endless cycle of violence. It's a very different case to NI. It would be like all the UK population living IN Ireland, not mostly on the Island next door. No one won up there either, negotiations were the only thing to stop the madness. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWSBOY 306 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. thats no reason not to fight It is when the result is the slaughter of your own people. The very best they can hope for is a negotiated settlement with Israel. That won't happen until Israel feels it's own security is guarenteed. As long as terrorist organisations control the Palestinians they'll continue in this endless cycle of violence. It's a very different case to NI. It would be like all the UK population living IN Ireland, not mostly on the Island next door. No one won up there either, negotiations were the only thing to stop the madness. how can its security be guarenteed when it continues to take palestinian land? they are forced to fight, long may they do so, israel is the terrorist john, yet they are always the victim, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest thebigdog Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Palestinians cannot win this fight. That's the long and the short of it despite what people like or dislike. For their own good they need to realise that and stop letting outside powers use them like pawns. Iran uses Hamas, Hamas used the Palestinian people. thats no reason not to fight It is when the result is the slaughter of your own people. The very best they can hope for is a negotiated settlement with Israel. That won't happen until Israel feels it's own security is guarenteed. As long as terrorist organisations control the Palestinians they'll continue in this endless cycle of violence. It's a very different case to NI. It would be like all the UK population living IN Ireland, not mostly on the Island next door. No one won up there either, negotiations were the only thing to stop the madness. true, but without the fighting, we would no doubt still be seen as second class citizens, denied civil rights and not seen as political equals. fighting most certainly has its place, if the palestinians just roll over now there f****d. they are not fighting because they think they can win, they fight because its the right thing to do. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 While Hamas keep hurling rockets into Israel, Israel will keep responding. How does it help the situation to bring on ground invasion, it's utterly pointless. It will not aid the Palestinians in any way except get more of them killed. The rockets they're using are so shite one of them fell into their own territory 75 have been fired into Israel today alone. The point you're chosing to miss, as well as reality, is that Israel is going nowhere. It's there and it will stay there. The combined efforts of it's neighbours and entire nations in that region haven't been able to shift it. It suits outside powers for Israel to be there as it gives them an agenda to stir up their own people and keep themselves in power. If they gave a shit about Palestinians they wouldn't have Hamas use them as cannon fodder for their own political ends. Only the Palestinians can choose to reject the likes of Hamas. When they choose to live in peace then they can claim the moral high ground and exert smart pressure. while they continue to support those who hurl inaccurate Iranian rockets at populated areas they'll continue to get their arses kicked. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lanesra 3,994 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Wouldn't comment on this subject as my knowledge off this situation is limited . . . BUT . . . TONY BLAIR MIDDLE EAST ENVOY , WELL I WILL COMMENT NOW . THERE WILL BE CORRUPTION HERE SOMEWHERE WITH THIS SEWER RAT INVOLVED , His Title is a Fukcing Joke , Envoy . . . So he is the MESSENGER . . . For whom ?? This is the Same Man , who when Prime Minister off this Country Decided to Stay on his Holiday When the Biggest Threat to this Country for yrs was Drawing Out , Where was he Holidaying . . . A Villa owned by SIR Cliff Richard . . Tony would never waste a FREEBIE now would he , This man is as Corrupt as they come . . . Wonder Whether he has his Wife in tow or is she Busy Defending Illegal immigrants and Pedophiles . . Speaking off which I wonder do they still holiday with SIR Cliff . . . All pissing in 1 pot these lot , no wonder things are coming to light about hushed up child abuse cases involving the Rich &Famous . . . We haven't a Fukcing clue what's happened in the past and been Covered up through the Old Friends Network by Kunts like Blair and his Friends !! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWSBOY 306 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 While Hamas keep hurling rockets into Israel, Israel will keep responding. How does it help the situation to bring on ground invasion, it's utterly pointless. It will not aid the Palestinians in any way except get more of them killed. The rockets they're using are so shite one of them fell into their own territory 75 have been fired into Israel today alone. The point you're chosing to miss, as well as reality, is that Israel is going nowhere. It's there and it will stay there. The combined efforts of it's neighbours and entire nations in that region haven't been able to shift it. It suits outside powers for Israel to be there as it gives them an agenda to stir up their own people and keep themselves in power. If they gave a shit about Palestinians they wouldn't have Hamas use them as cannon fodder for their own political ends. Only the Palestinians can choose to reject the likes of Hamas. When they choose to live in peace then they can claim the moral high ground and exert smart pressure. while they continue to support those who hurl inaccurate Iranian rockets at populated areas they'll continue to get their arses kicked. john, its u missing the point pal, israel continues to take land and life, they are the problem, what proof do u have that these so called rockets are iranian? most are drainpipe with nails ect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 true, but without the fighting, we would no doubt still be seen as second class citizens, denied civil rights and not seen as political equals. fighting most certainly has its place, if the palestinians just roll over now there f****d. they are not fighting because they think they can win, they fight because its the right thing to do. You can't compare the two. Other countries would have had to have invaded the UK on NI's behalf to do that, never happened. Other countries HAVE invaded Israel and failed. So my point remains, the Palestinian fight is doomed. They've got no advantage what so ever over Israel, militarily, technologically, economically, tactically or strategically. If they stopped firing rockets and rejected terrorism they may get some leverage over Israel on moral grounds which may help them internationally. But while their people continue to support those doing that, remember Hamas is their elected Government, and people who have shot and blown up innocent Israeli people, they have no case of moral advantage. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnGalway 1,043 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 (edited) john, its u missing the point pal, israel continues to take land and life, they are the problem, what proof do u have that these so called rockets are iranian? most are drainpipe with nails ect. In fact you're rejecting reality here, most of your points have been "Israel, f**k off". Which is completely absurd. Iran has a long and glorious history of State support for terrorism across the world. "Hamas's armed wing said on Saturday it had launched an Iranian-made Fajr-5 rocket at Tel Aviv, about 43 miles north of Gaza, in the third rocket attack on the city since Wednesday. Israeli police said the rocket was intercepted mid-air by an Israeli anti-missile battery." http://www.independe...es-8327310.html Edited November 19, 2012 by JohnGalway Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWSBOY 306 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 john, its u missing the point pal, israel continues to take land and life, they are the problem, what proof do u have that these so called rockets are iranian? most are drainpipe with nails ect. In fact you're rejecting reality here, most of your points have been "Israel, f**k off". Which is completely absurd. Iran has a long and glorious history of State support for terrorism alolcross the world. lol john, i said what proof? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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