milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Personally, what surprises me, is thay people are surprised! This is a natural cyclic mechanism that ensures diversity and crushes 'monopolies' species may gain. From death, comes life. how can it be natural if its imported Do you mean native? no, the disease is believed to have arrived in the uk from imported ash from the continant. so its not a natural occurance in the uk, its a consiquence of mankinds interference That may be the source of its introduction in this instance I don't dispute that. The disease originated from nature i presume. The area of origin most likely had a high population density of ash. But consider this, is man not natural? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Personally, what surprises me, is thay people are surprised! This is a natural cyclic mechanism that ensures diversity and crushes 'monopolies' species may gain. From death, comes life. how can it be natural if its imported Do you mean native? no, the disease is believed to have arrived in the uk from imported ash from the continant. so its not a natural occurrence in the uk, That's right, all of the previous caes have been traced back to imports, but the recent findings are believed not to be from imported saplings. its strange a few months ago i commented to a local farmer that there was something odd with the ash hedges up the lane as the leaves were turning and it was only july/august. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Personally, what surprises me, is thay people are surprised! This is a natural cyclic mechanism that ensures diversity and crushes 'monopolies' species may gain. From death, comes life. how can it be natural if its imported Do you mean native? no, the disease is believed to have arrived in the uk from imported ash from the continant. so its not a natural occurance in the uk, its a consiquence of mankinds interference That may be the source of its introduction in this instance I don't dispute that. The disease originated from nature i presume. The area of origin most likely had a high population density of ash. But consider this, is man not natural? man is the only thing on this plannet that can interfere with nature Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 In response to your original question, does importation make something unnatural? Foreign, perhaps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 We should have strict rules, like Australia, and not just organic stuff. People Aswell. Mind you this country didn't bother thier arse about that. Everytime I see a f*****g grey squirrel, I think if we had done something about that years ago, we might not see them the day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Personally, what surprises me, is thay people are surprised! This is a natural cyclic mechanism that ensures diversity and crushes 'monopolies' species may gain. From death, comes life. how can it be natural if its imported Do you mean native? no, the disease is believed to have arrived in the uk from imported ash from the continant. so its not a natural occurance in the uk, its a consiquence of mankinds interference That may be the source of its introduction in this instance I don't dispute that. The disease originated from nature i presume. The area of origin most likely had a high population density of ash. But consider this, is man not natural? man is the only thing on this plannet that can interfere with nature I don't believe that is true. To varying degrees all species affect their environment. Nature will endure regardless of man's activity no matter what that may be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 In response to your original question, does importation make something unnatural? Foreign, perhaps. if unnatural is applied as not being consistant with a normal course of events, then mans interference by importing trees would make it unnatural. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Oh I think man could very much interfere with nature, just look around you mate. Also how many species has man wiped off this planet, and put countless more under threat. Oh we're the most dangerous unpredictable species on this planet and just remember if we chose to, could end it tomorrow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Personally, what surprises me, is thay people are surprised! This is a natural cyclic mechanism that ensures diversity and crushes 'monopolies' species may gain. From death, comes life. how can it be natural if its imported Do you mean native? no, the disease is believed to have arrived in the uk from imported ash from the continant. so its not a natural occurance in the uk, its a consiquence of mankinds interference That may be the source of its introduction in this instance I don't dispute that. The disease originated from nature i presume. The area of origin most likely had a high population density of ash. But consider this, is man not natural? man is the only thing on this plannet that can interfere with nature I don't believe that is true. To varying degrees all species affect their environment. Nature will endure regardless of man's activity no matter what that may be. there is no other species that actively seeks to control, manipulate and emulate nature for its own aims. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Personally, what surprises me, is thay people are surprised! This is a natural cyclic mechanism that ensures diversity and crushes 'monopolies' species may gain. From death, comes life. how can it be natural if its imported Do you mean native? no, the disease is believed to have arrived in the uk from imported ash from the continant. so its not a natural occurance in the uk, its a consiquence of mankinds interference That may be the source of its introduction in this instance I don't dispute that. The disease originated from nature i presume. The area of origin most likely had a high population density of ash. But consider this, is man not natural? man is the only thing on this plannet that can interfere with nature I don't believe that is true. To varying degrees all species affect their environment. Nature will endure regardless of man's activity no matter what that may be. there is no other species that actively seeks to control, manipulate and emulate nature for its own aims. Again, i don't know that to be absolute truth, possibly a relative one by virtue of the degree and extent. Does that trait alone make man 'unnatural'? Abnormal compared to most, possibly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 We appear powerless to stop this disease, so what else is there but to allow "nature to take its course"? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 theres roughly 5000 species of mammals on this plannet and its only humans that can impact nature to such an extent as to be able to cause global problems, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Unique. Yet natural. From nature and intrinsically a part of it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Most of our hunting is pursuit of non native species so what is natural. Very few parts of the uk is natural let alone animals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milegajo 595 Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Most of our hunting is pursuit of non native species so what is natural. Very few parts of the uk is natural let alone animals. Hence the desire to differentiate and define native from foreign. Equally 100% of the UK is natural. When does something become native? Ultimately at some juncture what is considered native was once foreign.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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