Apache V Taliban

[gamerooster 1,179]

Not by any means am I promoting the wholesale slaughter of a Race of people, that's what Hitler did, what I am simply saying is, is that as Ray Mear's said, if you had just been into a village and been lied to, then lost comrades due to these lies, you would think differently of them.

 

And as for the kid's being brainwashed, all kid's are, I bet the majority of us if we had grown up with anti's, and had it drilled into us from a young age, then I doubt we would be fighting for the course we are now, and if that child has been brain-washed by the taliban, then they are a taliban for life, be it woman, kid, anything, the only good taliban........... Is a dead one!!!

[scothunter 12,609]

I used to think like you game rooster then I grew up

[gamerooster 1,179]

I used to think like you game rooster then I grew up

 

It's not about growing up, it's war mate, the enemy, no matter how old, or what gender, are still the enemy, sentiment plays no part in it, its kill or be killed.

[scothunter 12,609]

You can't go killing kids and women carte Blanche, then expect to go on the world stage and preach fairness and democracy.

No one likes child killers whether its under the guise of war or not.

Like I said a Taliban child fighter with a gun in his hand well that's totally acceptable to take him put. Bombing the shit out of a compound or village that is occupied by women and children regardless of there persuasion is never acceptable. Didn't agree with it when it the SS did it and when the yanks did it in Vietnam.

[Ray Mears 272]

Was actually meaning about dropping bombs on places they very well know kids are in the area. If there out there shooting at you then that's fair doos. I don't know what dragging your dead buddies corpse had to do with that.

 

what else are you going to do let them set up an ambush and fire upon you ? i doubt that very much at the end of the day they no the risks of protecting the taliban, if they still wish to do so then on there head be it. if the locals didnt allow the taliban to come into there village and live amongst them there would be no problems

 

I'm in no way makng a judgement but you can't expect the locals to just tell the taliban to f**k off and happily grass em up to the ISAF troops.

 

if someone was hitting your gaf all the time with hellfire missiles gunfire not to mension the IEDs that the taliban lay around the village and little kids step on them. How long do you think it would take until the locals tell the taliban they are not wanted in this area. Are the taliban going to kill them all and put the rest of the area onto ISAF'S side. the village elder has alot of say over there if they dont tell them to f**k off they will send someone to come into our base and give us info because the last thing they want is there little uns stepping on things that go boom... and when your giving them money everytime it dont take them long for them to be onside

[JohnGalway 1,043]

Not by any means am I promoting the wholesale slaughter of a Race of people, that's what Hitler did, what I am simply saying is, is that as Ray Mear's said, if you had just been into a village and been lied to, then lost comrades due to these lies, you would think differently of them.

 

Trusting anyone out there wouldn't be a wise move, look at how many Afghan police shoot other police/soldiers.

 

Look back at Vietnam, the Americans did a bit of village massacring there and haven't been let forget about it.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre

 

When you do things like that, all that happens is the enemies message is reinforced about how evil the baby killing westerners are.

[socks 32,253]

You can all sit on here and pass judgment and say this shouldn't happen that shouldn't happen you should do this do that blah blah blah ..... The only people that can pass judgement on topics like this are those of us that have been in these hell holes fighting for your life every second of every day when your out there where crossing a compound with your head a little to high will get you killed and every step you take could literally be your last and it has for to many lads ... And that's just normal soldiering you go into a whole different realm when you are carrying out other tasks not talked about by the media rightly or wrongly men women and children will all gladly end your life out there and parade your body through the streets before hanging it high and burning it .... Anybody can sit behind a computer screen and decide what's ethical and what's not ... It's a different story when your there and every body around you wants to make your kids fatherless ............

[Born Hunter 17,798]

Was actually meaning about dropping bombs on places they very well know kids are in the area. If there out there shooting at you then that's fair doos. I don't know what dragging your dead buddies corpse had to do with that.

 

what else are you going to do let them set up an ambush and fire upon you ? i doubt that very much at the end of the day they no the risks of protecting the taliban, if they still wish to do so then on there head be it. if the locals didnt allow the taliban to come into there village and live amongst them there would be no problems

 

I'm in no way makng a judgement but you can't expect the locals to just tell the taliban to f**k off and happily grass em up to the ISAF troops.

 

if someone was hitting your gaf all the time with hellfire missiles gunfire not to mension the IEDs that the taliban lay around the village and little kids step on them. How long do you think it would take until the locals tell the taliban they are not wanted in this area. Are the taliban going to kill them all and put the rest of the area onto ISAF'S side. the village elder has alot of say over there if they dont tell them to f**k off they will send someone to come into our base and give us info because the last thing they want is there little uns stepping on things that go boom... and when your giving them money everytime it dont take them long for them to be onside

 

That's great mate but I don't think that is fair or right to have the attitute 'you're either with us or against us' with the locals. I'm sure there are plenty that tollerate the taliban or even help them for fear of their own lives. That's all I'll have to say on it, I think you fellas are doing a very tough job and a good one at that. It's not a conventional war and these decisions are'nt simple for you.

Edited October 24, 2012 by Born Hunter

[Ray Mears 272]

You can all sit on here and pass judgment and say this shouldn't happen that shouldn't happen you should do this do that blah blah blah ..... The only people that can pass judgement on topics like this are those of us that have been in these hell holes fighting for your life every second of every day when your out there where crossing a compound with your head a little to high will get you killed and every step you take could literally be your last and it has for to many lads ... And that's just normal soldiering you go into a whole different realm when you are carrying out other tasks not talked about by the media rightly or wrongly men women and children will all gladly end your life out there and parade your body through the streets before hanging it high and burning it .... Anybody can sit behind a computer screen and decide what's ethical and what's not ... It's a different story when your there and every body around you wants to make your kids fatherless ............

 

 

i agree 100% its a place that turns boys into men and until you have been there under fire and seen you mates wounded and so on its horrible to say but you go numb

[scothunter 12,609]

I agree socks if you have been there, you probally will have a different view. I can still debate have a moral opinion on something though.

No offense but I've had mates who were squaddies my own brother Aswell, and listening to them talk ( well let's just say they weren't the sharpest knife in the drawer) so forgive me if I don't take everything a serving or ex soldier says as gospel.

[Ray Mears 272]

I agree socks if you have been there, you probally will have a different view. I can still debate have a moral opinion on something though.

No offense but I've had mates who were squaddies my own brother Aswell, and listening to them talk ( well let's just say they weren't the sharpest knife in the drawer) so forgive me if I don't take everything a serving or ex soldier says as gospel.

 

 

i think there is plenty that aint the sharpest tool about mate probably me included

[scothunter 12,609]

Lol yea worked beside a guy for a few year who was a soldier mate. f**k sake how he managed to serve 3 tours in ulster ill never know lol

[gamerooster 1,179]

I agree socks if you have been there, you probally will have a different view. I can still debate have a moral opinion on something though.

No offense but I've had mates who were squaddies my own brother Aswell, and listening to them talk ( well let's just say they weren't the sharpest knife in the drawer) so forgive me if I don't take everything a serving or ex soldier says as gospel.

 

 

i think there is plenty that aint the sharpest tool about mate probably me included

 

You have to have something wrong with you to join the armed forces!!!

[Ray Mears 272]

I agree socks if you have been there, you probally will have a different view. I can still debate have a moral opinion on something though.

No offense but I've had mates who were squaddies my own brother Aswell, and listening to them talk ( well let's just say they weren't the sharpest knife in the drawer) so forgive me if I don't take everything a serving or ex soldier says as gospel.

 

 

i think there is plenty that aint the sharpest tool about mate probably me included

 

You have to have something wrong with you to join the armed forces!!!

 

 

even more so if you wanna be a para

[Millet 4,497]

You can all sit on here and pass judgment and say this shouldn't happen that shouldn't happen you should do this do that blah blah blah ..... The only people that can pass judgement on topics like this are those of us that have been in these hell holes fighting for your life every second of every day when your out there where crossing a compound with your head a little to high will get you killed and every step you take could literally be your last and it has for to many lads ... And that's just normal soldiering you go into a whole different realm when you are carrying out other tasks not talked about by the media rightly or wrongly men women and children will all gladly end your life out there and parade your body through the streets before hanging it high and burning it .... Anybody can sit behind a computer screen and decide what's ethical and what's not ... It's a different story when your there and every body around you wants to make your kids fatherless ............

I can't but 100% agree with you there..i may be wrong i may be right..but if i was in a situation where i was going to be killed by savages and i was armed..i would empty my magazine's into every last one of them regardless of age or gender..