Union leaders are they really that stupid ??

[WILF 46,687]

Utopia is obviously a great idea......ask anyone in the former Soviet Union.

 

Sorry to shatter your dreams Karl Marx but its been tried and failed...........you people are a cancer to our country.

 

 

[Guest bezza]

Mein Kampf didn't catch on either Wilf.

I don't do expletives and playground stuff like 'fanny boy' and 'cancer', so I'm not going to respond in kind.

It's called dignity.

You can dish out all your wacko stuff Wilf, but you resort to the above responses when your view of the world is challenged.

[Buch 145]

So Bob Crowe 'should be forced to go private' In other words evct him?. Jesus christ. Think about the implications of what you write. Don't you think that's a thuggish nazi-style policy? Would you also support that inbred family of parasites in Buckingham Palace being forced from their council house? Of course not, that's unthinkable in your bigoted cap doffing, forehead knuckling world.

I don't recall pretending to be morally correct. I stressed I was no angel. Any guy with my experiences and background would vomit at the thought of being a private landlord.

Where would housing be without private landlords? Under the auspices of properly run, government inspected housing associations-- at a rent people could afford.

Private landlords who rent their properties to people on benefit must be the biggest beneficiaries of social security of all.They charge exorbitant rents and collect it from me and you. The whole corrupt, business makes me want to spew.

How about the government helping young couples with deposits for mortgages? That's a revolutionary idea!

 

Im a landlord at 28. Ive had my house for about 3 years and i bought it for one reason only. It was an investment. It was a repossession so i got it for a decent price. Untill recently my house was rented to a single mother who im assuming received various benefits. She got treated well, i payed for new carpets because she wanted a change ect ect.

 

I kind of think your view of people like me is funny, i spent 7 months in Iraq for most of the deposit for that house, and when i got back from Afghan about 18 months ago i was seriously tempted to get another house in the same area, again a repossession, but wasnt quite sure the house was worth it in the end. I worked bloody hard for that money, and I know another good few lads who've bought houses as well (i knew alot who pissed it up the wall but thats a different story). Any one can earn 10% deposit for a house. Any one can get to collage for a plumbing course. Any one can get down the carriers office and join the forces. If people have a good attitude, get out there and earn money ( and spend it wisely) then that should be rewarded not punished.

[undisputed 1,664]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

I have no issue with what anyone earns or where they live as long as they pay their way... Why is living in council house an issue?

My point being Mr Crowe who leads the RMT Union, and whom is very left wing, supporting various equal rights for all, gets a more equal wage then his members, I thought about £124,000 a year, but now having looked at Wikipedia it appears he's on over £140,000 a year, and his partner earns at least £,000 a year. I feel he should vacate his council property to a family who cannot afford to go into the private sector. I thought left wing views supported housing associations in supplying people who were unable to do otherwise with a house. Do you feel it's right for a couple whose gross income is some £220,00 a year to live in subsidised housing, whilst preaching equal living standards to others ?

 

 

Didn't you and Wulfy argue that guys that work for their money should be able to keep it.....being on that wage no doubt they will both pay their taxes as they should what the f**k has living in a council house got to do with anything....stupid point really. How is the house subsidised?

 

Using your logic should the queen then move out of BP and give to her less fortunate relatives who can't afford to live in a Palace?

Edited October 23, 2012 by undisputed

[undisputed 1,664]

Utopia is obviously a great idea......ask anyone in the former Soviet Union.

 

Sorry to shatter your dreams Karl Marx but its been tried and failed...........you people are a cancer to our country.

 

I might be wrong here Wulfy but wasn't it capitalism that put this country in the shitter....most of the western world for that matter?

[Guest bezza]

Buch. Different backgrounds, different experiences. I remember people in my family when I was a kid in the fifties being evicted for non payment of rent. No social security in those days.

I remember hiding under the table with my mother, both of us in genuine fear of the rentman. These were houses that were unfit for human habitation because of bomb damage. My granny's house had rotten stairs that were impossible to climb. There was still a hole in the roof from a bomb hit which still let in the elements years later. People had to pay a huge proportion of my their wage for these rat infested pits. Those memories still haunt me.

That's why I could never become a private landlord. Private landlords in my view should be forced to offer rents on a par with sheltered housing.

Edited October 23, 2012 by bezza

[undisputed 1,664]

With regards to your views on Council Tax, and the example I gave earlier, do you agree that an elderly lady living in a four bed house as her family has all past away, should pay more council tax then four adults living in a two bed house ? Given that council tax pays for council services, police, roads, leisure centres,etc etc.

I would like to point out that this fictional lady and her husband have paid income tax all their lives, they have paid tax on buying their property, and tax will have to paid when she died, how many times do you want too tax her ?

 

Edited by Ant9x, Today, 05:20 PM.

 

So this couple have been paying tax for roughly 24hrs then...f*****g scroungers! and your question about how many times she can be taxed should be aimed at Ozzy Osbourne the chancellor.

[just jack 998]

what a great thread

[WILF 46,687]

Private landlords in my view should be forced to offer rents on a par with sheltered housing.

 

True colours at last, it's all about " forcing" and " making" people do things with folk like you......as long as your the ones doing the forcing that is!!

As I said, your very quick to start calling folk " fascists" and such like, but it's you that are the dictators , it's you that want to " force " people into things......me on the other hand, I think everyone should be free from the burdens of state control, union control, I believe in people and believe they know how to spend their own money best, not havie it taken from them in buckets via legalised state theft in the form of over taxation.

 

What's disgusting, really disgusting is poverty.....living in a world where it pays some people to stay poor all their life and doesn't make it worth while to do better than mediocre.......millions of Russians lived in poverty, their lives ruled in every way by the state, their labour was all taken by the state, that's what's really disgusting......

 

Freedom is letting people flourish, letting them create wealth, create jobs and allowing others to be employed and have a chance to do better themselves and for their family's........not allowing some government or union come along and take it all away from them to further their own ends.

 

Capitalism ain't perfect by a long stretch, but it's the very best we have until someone comes up with something better.....as I said, your ways been tried and it only lasted 70 odd years in a land with massive mineral wealth.

 

If you educate yourself a bit, you will obviously see that I am nothing like a nazi as I hate socialism in almost all it's forms......the clue is in the name National Socialist.....get it?

Edited October 23, 2012 by WILF

[scothunter 12,609]

Well says wilf, and I bet you chuckled at the neon kampf comment, couldn't be further from what you said lol

[WILF 46,687]

With regards to your views on Council Tax, and the example I gave earlier, do you agree that an elderly lady living in a four bed house as her family has all past away, should pay more council tax then four adults living in a two bed house ? Given that council tax pays for council services, police, roads, leisure centres,etc etc.

I would like to point out that this fictional lady and her husband have paid income tax all their lives, they have paid tax on buying their property, and tax will have to paid when she died, how many times do you want too tax her ?

 

Edited by Ant9x, Today, 05:20 PM.

 

So this couple have been paying tax for roughly 24hrs then...f*****g scroungers! and your question about how many times she can be taxed should be aimed at Ozzy Osbourne the chancellor.

 

Maybe I am a bit thick, but why is it more expensive to collect a bin from a 4 bedroom house than a 2 bedroom house?

[undisputed 1,664]

With regards to your views on Council Tax, and the example I gave earlier, do you agree that an elderly lady living in a four bed house as her family has all past away, should pay more council tax then four adults living in a two bed house ? Given that council tax pays for council services, police, roads, leisure centres,etc etc.

I would like to point out that this fictional lady and her husband have paid income tax all their lives, they have paid tax on buying their property, and tax will have to paid when she died, how many times do you want too tax her ?

 

Edited by Ant9x, Today, 05:20 PM.

 

So this couple have been paying tax for roughly 24hrs then...f*****g scroungers! and your question about how many times she can be taxed should be aimed at Ozzy Osbourne the chancellor.

 

Maybe I am a bit thick, but why is it more expensive to collect a bin from a 4 bedroom house than a 2 bedroom house?

 

Maybe? I never said anything about collecting bins....

[WILF 46,687]

Like the picture! Lol

 

Seeing as you always try and avoid the difficult questions, let me put it another way, do you think someone who lives in a 4 bedroom house should pay more in tax ( council, income or whatever) than someone who lives in a 2 bedroom house?

 

Simple question really?

[undisputed 1,664]

Like the picture! Lol

 

Seeing as you always try and avoid the difficult questions, let me put it another way, do you think someone who lives in a 4 bedroom house should pay more in tax ( council, income or whatever) than someone who lives in a 2 bedroom house?

 

Simple question really?

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here...the point your trying to make is not what I was suggesting. I don't know how it is in your part of the country but up here your council tax is calculated by the area in which you live. These Banded areas differ in the amount of Council tax they charge, say you lived in a caravan at one end of the street and your pal had a mansion at the other end you'd both be paying the same amount....capice! other than that I can't be arsed I'm going to my bed.....You quite good at avoiding the issues yourself Wilfy

[Ant9x 25]

Like the picture! Lol

 

Seeing as you always try and avoid the difficult questions, let me put it another way, do you think someone who lives in a 4 bedroom house should pay more in tax ( council, income or whatever) than someone who lives in a 2 bedroom house?

 

Simple question really?

 

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here...the point your trying to make is not what I was suggesting. I don't know how it is in your part of the country but up here your council tax is calculated by the area in which you live. These Banded areas differ in the amount of Council tax they charge, say you lived in a caravan at one end of the street and your pal had a mansion at the other end you'd both be paying the same amount....capice! other than that I can't be arsed I'm going to my bed.....You quite good at avoiding the issues yourself Wilfy

It was you that said that you thought it was disgusting that someone in a twenty room mansion pays the same council tax as someone living in a 2 / 3 bed council flat.