Union leaders are they really that stupid ??

[WILF 46,687]

That will be a no then ! Lol lol.......I will give you one thing, all you socialists talk a good game! Lol lol

 

I reckon Bob Crowe will work out his members average annual wage and take a pay cut so that he is on the same..............I also reckon Lord Lucan will ride the winner at the next grand national.

 

As always fanny boy, it's been fun.....adios !

Edited October 22, 2012 by WILF

[undisputed 1,664]

That will be a no then ! Lol lol.......I will give you one thing, all you socialists talk a good game! Lol lol

 

I reckon Bob Crowe will work out his members average annual wage and take a pay cut so that he is on the same..............I also reckon Lord Lucan will ride the winner at the next grand national.

 

As always fanny boy, it's been fun.....adios !

 

Yeah about the same time as you pay your guys the same as you Bawheid....but not half as good as you Tory lovers hasta la vista baby!

 

PS Lucan works in Tesco ( but doesn't pay any tax)

[Sjt657 191]

Why so worried about which party.. they all screw us now labour only pretends to be on our side ... Lol

[twobob 1,497]

Wilf, check out the character Josiah Bounderby in this link. It's you isn't it? Or you are pretending to be him?

Or else you are bloke just having a laugh pretending to be some angry, vicious far right troll. You'll be posting pictures of Hitler and Thatcher in this thread shortly.

Yes the more I think about it you can't be for real, nobody in this day and age could be as fascist as you are. Well done you had me going for a while. :laugh: :laugh: http://www.sparknote.../canalysis.html

 

 

Sorry forgot the link.

 

How unusual, a lefty throwing out the " nazi/ hitler" cliche when they know they don't have a f*****g leg to stand on........is that the best you can do?

 

I will tell you who the real nazis are matey, it's you c**ts!

You want very f****r to be a worker ant, tell them how much they can earn, when to take a shit, what jokes they can tell, who they must like, what to think.....keep them poor so they need you.

You red c**ts have got some f*****g cheek.

sure you mean every fxxxxr cant you spell?LOL LOL

[scothunter 12,609]

Calling you a nazi wilf for having your opinions mate lol

Evidently they don't know the workings of NS

[Ant9x 25]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

[undisputed 1,664]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

I have no issue with what anyone earns or where they live as long as they pay their way... Why is living in council house an issue?

[Ant9x 25]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

I have no issue with what anyone earns or where they live as long as they pay their way... Why is living in council house an issue?

My point being Mr Crowe who leads the RMT Union, and whom is very left wing, supporting various equal rights for all, gets a more equal wage then his members, I thought about £124,000 a year, but now having looked at Wikipedia it appears he's on over £140,000 a year, and his partner earns at least £,000 a year. I feel he should vacate his council property to a family who cannot afford to go into the private sector. I thought left wing views supported housing associations in supplying people who were unable to do otherwise with a house. Do you feel it's right for a couple whose gross income is some £220,00 a year to live in subsidised housing, whilst preaching equal living standards to others ?

[Guest bezza]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

Bob Crowe's earnings do seem paltry given the magnificent job he is doing looking after his members. Through negotiations Crowe has managed to get his members a final salary pension scheme when virtually every employer in the country is withdrawing such schemes. Also, most staff are on around £50000 basic Well done that man! If the honours system wasn't so corrupt he should be knighted for his stupendous achievments.

. I think if you compared the salaries of CEOs of the various rail and maritime companies which employ Mr Crowe's members to the salaries of Bob Crowe and his members, then the latter's salaries would appear miniscule. ( Sorry i know it's dangerous and revolutionary to point these injustices out.)

I learned today that Bob Crowe is against the free flow of workers across Europe. I am no left wing intellectual, but I worked out that allowing EU migrants free access to this country has driven wages down in this country. Mr Crowe is of the same opinion. It was a con It's led to chaotic pressure on housing, schools and the NHS.

The fact that he lives in a Council house seems completely irrelevant to me. Britain is one of the few countries to have this obsession with home ownership, if he prefers to rent, that's his right.

If he had bought a magnificent house somewhere in Hampstead for example, he would have been slated for being a champaigne socialist. He obviously met the criteria to be given a tenancy. He prefers to stay where his friends are . Good luck to him

. In what way is Council Housing subsidised?

The latest wheeze from the tories is to move people out of their council houses if they think them to be 'under occupied'. So, rather than build new affordable homes and stimulate the economy in the process, they are deeming working people to be like cattle and moved to 'appropriate accommodation' according to their perceived needs. It's a policy absolutely breathtaking in its cruelty and insensitivity. How about moving that inbred lot out of Buckingham palace? That's a council house with obscene under- occupancy. That would be a great place for kids to grow up. Think how many families that place could support. I can see you 'righties' shaking your heads at what you think is a preposterous and provocative suggestion. It's not, I'm serious.

 

In answer to your second question, it seems a fairly obvious and universal moral law that those who are better off should pay a level of tax commensurate with their wealth. If you have more you should pay more.Trying to change this natural law of justice and replace it with something immoral like the Poll Tax led to unprecedented levels of street violence which eventually lost the tories their parliamentary advantage in the nineties. The tories never learn. They can never restrain their ideological pitbulls who want to deregulate, sell everything to their friends and forever tighten the screw on working people. One of the legacies of Thatcher was to privatise hospital cleaning.A causal link was established between this policy and the the exponential rise in hospital acquired infections.

They never learn, they tried to present themselves as no longer the nasty party. Cameron was hugging huskies and hoodies at will, but look at their toxic, class biased policies. More nasty, more toxic, more senseless and more unreasonable than ever. They will of course lose the next election, they know that so they are pushing through as many extremist policies as they can before they go off and are given lucrative city jobs, money-for-old-rope directorships and/or positions in the lords and the European parliament.

My problem is : Who to vote for? I am no fan of Labour. Nor am I fan of the extreme left. Fortunately I live in Scotland so I will vote for the SNP in the Scottish elections and reluctantly for labour in the National elections. Not because I support them but simply to keep out the tories. I will not be voting for full independence, because if the vote were successful, it would mean the end of the forty odd Labour MPs Scotland sends to Westminster every year. That would virtually condemn England to a permanent tory government I wouldn't wish that even on Wilf.lol ( Although he would probably enjoy the pain)

Watching the footie tonight Wilf so feel free to put the world to rights without my interruptions.

Edited October 23, 2012 by bezza

[saharashadow 26]

I, along with four of my workmates, was told by my employer we had to change our shift shift pattern to one which meant we would have to work weekends, which we hadn't ever had to work previously. We all said we didn't really want to change, and were immediately handed redundancy notices !!!! A quick call to the union rep resulted in a letter from the company within 24 hours withdrawing our redundancy notices. Eventually a negotiated settlement was arrived at, which was acceptable to all. Without the union we would have all found ourselves unemployed !!!!

[Ant9x 25]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

Bob Crowe's earnings do seem paltry given the magnificent job he is doing looking after his members. Through negotiations, Crowe has managed to get his members a final salary pension scheme when virtually every employer in the country is withdrawing such schemes. Also, most staff are on around £50000 basic Well done that man! If the honours system wasn't so corrupt he would have been knighted for his stupendous achievments.

. I think if you compared the salaries of CEOs of the various rail and maritime companies which employ Mr Crowe's members to the salaries of Bob Crowe and his members, then the latter's salaries would appear miniscule. ( Sorry i know it's dangerous and revolutionary to point these injustices out.)

The fact that he lives in a Council house seems completely irrelevant to me. Britain is one of the few countries to have this obsession with home ownership, if he prefers to rent, that's his right.

If he had bought a magnificent house somewhere in Hampstead for example, he would have been slated for being a champaigne socialist. He prefers to stay where his friends are . Good luck to him

. In what way is Council Housing subsidised?

 

In answer to your second question, it seems a fairly obvious and universal moral law that those who are better off should pay a level of tax commensurate with their wealth. If you have more you should pay more.Trying to change this natural law of justice and replace it with something immoral like the Poll Tax led to a level of protest which eventually lost the tories their parliamentary advantage in the nineties.

We will have to differ as to Mr Crowe's salary worth, and as to him being knighted. Having advocated equal pay and conditions for all workers, like WILF I wonder why he does not donate the balance of his salary above that of the average wage to charity.

The fact that he lives in a housing association owned house, which was built for low income families may well be an irrelevant matter to you, however I would suggest that a homeless low income family would find that that very relevant. I thought that private sector rentals were about two thirds more expensive then those of council rents, if that is the case that makes it subsidised.

With regards to your views on Council Tax, and the example I gave earlier, do you agree that an elderly lady living in a four bed house as her family has all past away, should pay more council tax then four adults living in a two bed house ? Given that council tax pays for council services, police, roads, leisure centres,etc etc.

I would like to point out that this fictional lady and her husband have paid income tax all their lives, they have paid tax on buying their property, and tax will have to paid when she died, how many times do you want too tax her ?

Edited October 23, 2012 by Ant9x

[Ant9x 25]

I, along with four of my workmates, was told by my employer we had to change our shift shift pattern to one which meant we would have to work weekends, which we hadn't ever had to work previously. We all said we didn't really want to change, and were immediately handed redundancy notices !!!! A quick call to the union rep resulted in a letter from the company within 24 hours withdrawing our redundancy notices. Eventually a negotiated settlement was arrived at, which was acceptable to all. Without the union we would have all found ourselves unemployed !!!!

A good example of why in my opinion we still need to have unions.

[Guest bezza]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

Bob Crowe's earnings do seem paltry given the magnificent job he is doing looking after his members. Through negotiations, Crowe has managed to get his members a final salary pension scheme when virtually every employer in the country is withdrawing such schemes. Also, most staff are on around £50000 basic Well done that man! If the honours system wasn't so corrupt he would have been knighted for his stupendous achievments.

. I think if you compared the salaries of CEOs of the various rail and maritime companies which employ Mr Crowe's members to the salaries of Bob Crowe and his members, then the latter's salaries would appear miniscule. ( Sorry i know it's dangerous and revolutionary to point these injustices out.)

The fact that he lives in a Council house seems completely irrelevant to me. Britain is one of the few countries to have this obsession with home ownership, if he prefers to rent, that's his right.

If he had bought a magnificent house somewhere in Hampstead for example, he would have been slated for being a champaigne socialist. He prefers to stay where his friends are . Good luck to him

. In what way is Council Housing subsidised?

 

In answer to your second question, it seems a fairly obvious and universal moral law that those who are better off should pay a level of tax commensurate with their wealth. If you have more you should pay more.Trying to change this natural law of justice and replace it with something immoral like the Poll Tax led to a level of protest which eventually lost the tories their parliamentary advantage in the nineties.

We will have to differ as to Mr Crowe's salary worth, and as to him being knighted. Having advocated equal pay and conditions for all workers, like WILF I wonder why he does not donate the balance of his salary above that of the average wage to charity.

The fact that he lives in a housing association owned house, which was built for low income families may well be an irrelevant matter to you, however I would suggest that a homeless low income family would find that that very relevant. I thought that private sector rentals were about two thirds more expensive then those of council rents, if that is the case that makes it subsidised.

With regards to your views on Council Tax, and the example I gave earlier, do you agree that an elderly lady living in a four bed house as her family has all past away, should pay more council tax then four adults living in a two bed house ? Given that council tax pays for council services, police, roads, leisure centres,etc etc.

I would like to point out that this fictional lady and her husband have paid income tax all their lives, they have paid tax on buying their property, and tax will have to paid when she died, how many times do you want too tax her ?

 

That does seem unfair. Nothing to do with left or right, just unfair.

 

If, as you say, private rented accomodation is two thirds higher than council housing, surely it would be reasonable to cap the rents these usurers charge. It's blatantly immoral.

If you are left leaning in this country, you are supposed to be not only the devil incarnate but squeaky clean in your private life. Hence the criticism Bob Crowe gets for earning a good salary and not giving it away like Jesus would. Well I'm a proud leftie, now retired, and i have enough savings to buy an ex- council house, maybe two, and rent them out for perhaps £500-£600 a month. I am definitely no saint but I could no sooner do that than go and mug an old granny. It's completely immoral in my opinion to make that kind of money out of some other guy's need . Everybody should have a decent roof over their head at a fair rent or mortgage rate. In a country as rich as ours it's a right. A right which is being denied.Wilf would seize his opportunity and squeeze in as many tenants as he could and condemn me for being weak and soft. That right Wilf?

Edited October 23, 2012 by bezza

[Ant9x 25]

To keep it simple, without personal attacks and without changing the subject, are you able too.

1) Defend the Bob Crowe's earnings of about £124,000 a year, and whose partner earns about £,000 whilst living in a council house ?

2) Defend your view of council tax being related to the size of your house ?

 

Bob Crowe's earnings do seem paltry given the magnificent job he is doing looking after his members. Through negotiations, Crowe has managed to get his members a final salary pension scheme when virtually every employer in the country is withdrawing such schemes. Also, most staff are on around £50000 basic Well done that man! If the honours system wasn't so corrupt he would have been knighted for his stupendous achievments.

. I think if you compared the salaries of CEOs of the various rail and maritime companies which employ Mr Crowe's members to the salaries of Bob Crowe and his members, then the latter's salaries would appear miniscule. ( Sorry i know it's dangerous and revolutionary to point these injustices out.)

The fact that he lives in a Council house seems completely irrelevant to me. Britain is one of the few countries to have this obsession with home ownership, if he prefers to rent, that's his right.

If he had bought a magnificent house somewhere in Hampstead for example, he would have been slated for being a champaigne socialist. He prefers to stay where his friends are . Good luck to him

. In what way is Council Housing subsidised?

 

In answer to your second question, it seems a fairly obvious and universal moral law that those who are better off should pay a level of tax commensurate with their wealth. If you have more you should pay more.Trying to change this natural law of justice and replace it with something immoral like the Poll Tax led to a level of protest which eventually lost the tories their parliamentary advantage in the nineties.

We will have to differ as to Mr Crowe's salary worth, and as to him being knighted. Having advocated equal pay and conditions for all workers, like WILF I wonder why he does not donate the balance of his salary above that of the average wage to charity.

The fact that he lives in a housing association owned house, which was built for low income families may well be an irrelevant matter to you, however I would suggest that a homeless low income family would find that that very relevant. I thought that private sector rentals were about two thirds more expensive then those of council rents, if that is the case that makes it subsidised.

With regards to your views on Council Tax, and the example I gave earlier, do you agree that an elderly lady living in a four bed house as her family has all past away, should pay more council tax then four adults living in a two bed house ? Given that council tax pays for council services, police, roads, leisure centres,etc etc.

I would like to point out that this fictional lady and her husband have paid income tax all their lives, they have paid tax on buying their property, and tax will have to paid when she died, how many times do you want too tax her ?

 

That does seem unfair. Nothing to do with left or right, just unfair.

 

If, as you say, private rented accomodation is two thirds higher than council housing, surely it would be reasonable to cap the rents these usurers charge. It's blatantly immoral.

If you are left leaning in this country, you are supposed to be not only the devil incarnate but squeeky clean in your private life. Hence the criticism Bob Crowe gets for earning a good salary and not giving it away like Jesus would. Well I'm a proud leftie, now retired, and i have enough savings to buy an ex- council house, maybe two, and rent them out for perhaps £500-£600 a month. I am definitely no saint but I could no sooner do that than go and mug an old granny. It's completely immoral in my opinion to make that kind of money out of some other guy's need . Everybody should have a decent roof over their head. In a country as rich as ours it's a right. A right which is being denied.Wilf would seize his opportunity and squeeze in as many tenants as he could and condemn me for being weak and soft. That right Wilf?

All Poll Tax wanted to do was increase the rates ( now council tax ) to get all adults to pay a small increase per person towards the costs that they incurred, for example it was concluded that four adults would have more rubbish to dispose of then a single person, and of course that applies to the other facilities financed by councils, libraries, parks, etc etc, however the lefties took this as a way to attack what they perceived to be the rich, just in the same way as they have done to hunting.

With regard to council housing I feel that Mr Crowe should be forced to go private, which he clearly can afford, and that someone as morally correct as yourself should question if he is worthy of the hero status you have awarded.

With regards to private landlords where would housing be without them ?

[Guest bezza]

So Bob Crowe 'should be forced to go private' In other words evct him?. Jesus christ. Think about the implications of what you write. Don't you think that's a thuggish nazi-style policy? Would you also support that inbred family of parasites in Buckingham Palace being forced from their council house? Of course not, that's unthinkable in your bigoted cap doffing, forehead knuckling world.

I don't recall pretending to be morally correct. I stressed I was no angel. Any guy with my experiences and background would vomit at the thought of being a private landlord.

Where would housing be without private landlords? Under the auspices of properly run, government inspected housing associations-- at a rent people could afford.

Private landlords who rent their properties to people on benefit must be the biggest beneficiaries of social security of all.They charge exorbitant rents and collect it from me and you. The whole corrupt, business makes me want to spew.

How about the government helping young couples with deposits for mortgages? That's a revolutionary idea!

Edited October 23, 2012 by bezza