deer dogs (preban)

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

A lot of people are talking about does not being a test for a dog. I never chuck my dogs out of a motor, all my runs were walked up with big long slips. Buck or doe your dogs still got to catch it.

 

Bucks are much faster too. The good ones are well when they run that is.

[kranky 507]

 

 

 

A lot of people are talking about does not being a test for a dog. I never chuck my dogs out of a motor, all my runs were walked up with big long slips. Buck or doe your dogs still got to catch it.

Bucks are much faster too. The good ones are well when they run that is.

That's true, I think I posted that earlier in this thread. I've had dogs straight lined by bucks. You can always tell the bucks as they'll run through the does and leave them behind. There's no chivalry in deer society.

 

There's a lot of big well built dogs that can drag a fallow buck down singlehanded but those same dogs haven't got the pace or wind to catch a geriatric doe. The test for those dogs is the actual catching. Does would be a test for them. That's my point.

Edited April 18, 2013 by kranky

[Dan Edwards 1,134]

I get what your saying there but a real deer dog is one that can handle a buck and them are so few and far between that it prolly aint worth dreamin about. I know I dont own any like that. Not on my deer anyhow.

[beast 1,884]

what do you have round your way dan, whitetails or mule deer?

[kranky 507]

Dan will have Whitetail deer and big ones at that.

[kranky 507]

Fallow are bigger than whitetails. My experience of whitetails is Ontario ones.

[C Hall 552]

Pre ban which species of deer would be the hardest for a lurcher to take single consistently? I dont think a red stag can be took by a single lurcher consistently so I would say fallow buck Did anyone have a dog that was doing them consistently?

My second choice would be red hinds I think a good deer lurcher should be able to do them consistently.

[j1985 1,984]

Seen a half x bitch that was a monster on fallow bucks, an she did em constantly and seemed to seek out bucks from a herd running past does to get at them. Not just what Iv heard from the lads that see her go werkly and the other lads from all over the country that also seen the bitch go Iv seen it first hand also, pre ban.

[Rabbithunter 456]

Seen dogs jack on fallow bucks

 

Also seen men jack on fallow bucks

 

Big animals, & hats off to any dog that take them singley

[J Darcy 5,871]

 

Pre ban which species of deer would be the hardest for a lurcher to take single consistently? I dont think a red stag can be took by a single lurcher consistently so I would say fallow buck Did anyone have a dog that was doing them consistently?

My second choice would be red hinds I think a good deer lurcher should be able to do them consistently.

 

 

IMO I don't really think it's possible to lump reds in with the other five. For me, in the daytime, I've always thought fallow were good, very good, but I ran all the other species and found good individuals amongst them too. Reds aside, i always thought a roe, and educated one that knew what was waiting for it outside the wood, was the hardest deer for a dog to get up to.....roe get slagged off, but it's mainly by lads who've often only lamped them. Well, I don't think lamping gives a man a fair estimation of how good, or bad, a deer is, or any quarry species for that matter.

as for fallow bucks, yes, they do take some stopping, 'specially for one dog.that dog's got to be wanting to get pyhsical 'cos theres no other way. I remember once slipping old Scoob on a small group of bucks, there was seven or eight of them and a merry chase was had before he hit it going over a hedge. I ran like my life depended on it and he was holding it in the middle of the country road. It was adrenalin time as this menil lump wasn't planning on laying down without serious persuasion. But, down he went in the end and it was a happy guy that journeyed 3 hours home the next morning...

Out of the five, for me, fallow bucks were the daddies....and I've missed more than I've caught. Some dogs just run behind them, over-awed at the size of the thing....

[Rabbithunter 456]

I regularly see a red hind, semi-tame she is. Belonged to a deer farm, she was an escapee, the farm has now closed. And she can often be seen laying in the same spot on a morning, must be waiting for feeding time?

 

Anyway shes a big lump, them things must of taken some stopping, back in the day, or night as the case may be.

 

Ive also seen some big lads 'jack' on some fallow does wouldnt go anywhere near that kicking screaming 90lbs animal that was on the ground

[bunnys 1,228]

its good to here that the fallow is seen as fair game of the deer species but here the query there be some that cut there teeth so to speek on fallow and this is the norm the roe and other smaller species being in some given places less in numbers . i can think back not to far in the distant past to well estermed terrier men supping tea at my table and the welsh fella ienquiring about the bucks and quering the the fact on single animals taking them , the other fella allready new the answer he had witnessed it on numerious occasions .Getting physicall maybe depends on the quality of the animal taking them and how he goes about is buisness . red seen them taken single had the priveledge to see this more than once . but hey this would be all preban and this is only a hunting forum atb bunnys.

[stewie 3,387]

every dog and deer is a different animal........to compare a collie x running a buck in scotland to a saluki x running a buck in england is stupid IMO

[kranky 507]

There is a misconception that only bucks resist a dog and does just lie down and die. A full grown fallow doe will use all its weight and strength to escape. A does defenses are on each corner and she with fire those sharp hoofed feet out with full force. A few kicks to the chest and head can shake even the most determined dog.

[C Hall 552]

Some folk class any male of the deer species a buck or a stag which in the sense of the word is true, when I refer to a buck or a stag I mean fully mature deer in there prime not prickets or yearlings also this lamping vs daytime argument IMO an educated deer is just that be it day or night, to refer to them as easier gives the wrong impression they can be EASIER day and night depending on a few factors. To name a few factors.. time of year, ground, how often there ran, age and condition, distance of the slip.

Edited April 21, 2013 by C Hall