ferret mating fact wrong on internet ?

[oakey 57]

Whith a chap in the pub yesterday who came out with a FACT that if a female ferret doesn't mate it will die due to a build up of estrogen . Although i now have my jills jabbed back in the day we never heard of a jill jab and our ferrets never died but when you put this into google it will tell you that the fact is true even though i know its false . Please comment either way

[nick783 4]

I have never out it to the test, but that is what i have been told in the last 4 years i have had ferrets.

 

I always have a vesctimised Hob to take my jills out of season!

 

Be intresting to find out what was done before jill jabs!

[Guest norseman]

i know a guy who ferreted in the 's and said he never got his jill's jabbed, because like yourself oakey back in the day he never heard of such a thing, but i think its more safety than anything else, not too many people would risk losing a good jill.

[paulus 26]

ive seen jills live for years without ever being mated, i always believed it was more to do with a high risk of infection when a jill is in season more than anything else, so a clean environment would play a key role.

[oakey 57]

ive seen jills live for years without ever being mated, i always believed it was more to do with a high risk of infection when a jill is in season more than anything else, so a clean environment would play a key role.

This is the same as i think so where has the myth come from ?

[Guest Leveller]

It must be true if the internet says so

[mushroom 13,103]

I was told it was something to do with Osteoporosis apparently the large amounts of oestrogen that circulate when she is in season can have the effect of screwing the skeletal structure up. Women suffer from it too.

[chilly 59]

i had my first ferret when i was about 13 , and it was never mated and lived to a vary old age , went grey and frail from old age in the end , must have been about 9 year old when she passed

[Leeview 791]

I and many other members on THL leave jills in season till they naturally come out by themselves. I dont breed my jills every year only when I need new stock and have been doing this for over 50yrs and never lost a jill in season.

Using a vasectomised hob or the jill jab takes them out of season BUT they will be back in season and require taking out in 6weeks(gestation period)a vasectomised hob repeatedly mating jills can pass infections around the jills he mates leading to pyometria(womb infection which at best will need spaying if the jill survives)

Y.I.S Leeview

[sam4530s 37]

I and many other members on THL leave jills in season till they naturally come out by themselves. I dont breed my jills every year only when I need new stock and have been doing this for over 50yrs and never lost a jill in season.

Using a vasectomised hob or the jill jab takes them out of season BUT they will be back in season and require taking out in 6weeks(gestation period)a vasectomised hob repeatedly mating jills can pass infections around the jills he mates leading to pyometria(womb infection which at best will need spaying if the jill survives)

Y.I.S Leeview

this is what i was told when i started keeping ferrets , pyometria is a serious killer in any animal.

[The one 8,484]

They just look rough as feck all summer till they come out of season

[ferret100 47]

Ferret jills are induced ovulators, basically meaning they remain fertile during the breeding season until 'mated', eg actually mated, v-hob, jill jab, spayed to end/prevent their cycle. Their mating cycle is controlled by photoperiod, meaning their breeding hormones are stimulated by the increase/longer duration of natural light (or artificial light when kept as indoor pets), hence why they come into season naturally around March to Sept.

 

Oestrogen is a vital hormone for breeding purposes and if left unchecked in induced ovulators can indeed be fatal. Constitently high levels of oestrogen in induced ovulators (not brought out of season early into the their breeding cycle) will likely lead to oestrogen toxidity, while the exact aetiology is unknown, the effects are well documented. Oestrogen toxidity attacks the bone marrow, more importantly the cells in which the bone marrow produces, red blood cells (RBC), white blood cells (WBC) and platelets.

 

Oestrogen toxidity can either significantly reduce the number of these cells produced by bone marrow and/or the cells production are abnormal/non-functional, therefore placing the jills health into risk.

 

Lack of normal levels of functioning RBCs can cause Aplastic Anaemia, with WBC compromising the immune system leading to infection and with platelets, haemorrage, both internal and external, the internal haemorrage can be spontaneous.

 

How every individual jill is affected by not being brought out of season, cannot be quantified unless blood sampled for cell count and/or the quality of the cells examined. As said before, oestrogen toxidity can affect the volume of cell production, abnormal cells, or both, however once oestrogen toxidity has done its damage to the bone marrows ability to produce healthy cells, it's irreversable.

 

Well, that is the physiological explantion anyway. ATB.

 

Edited to add, that if bone marrow is damaged, particularly by high levels of oestrogen, it loses density and function and can also lead to Oesteoprosis.

Edited October 20, 2012 by ferret100

[The one 8,484]

Maybe but has anybody taken a dead jill and asked for a pm and the results say cause of death left in season

[Leeview 791]

Ferret jills are induced ovulators, basically meaning they remain fertile during the breeding season until 'mated', eg actually mated, v-hob, jill jab, spayed to end/prevent their cycle. Their mating cycle is controlled by photoperiod, meaning their breeding hormones are stimulated by the increase/longer duration of natural light (or artificial light when kept as indoor pets), hence why they come into season naturally around March to Sept.

 

Oestrogen is a vital hormone for breeding purposes and if left unchecked in induced ovulators can indeed be fatal. Constitently high levels of oestrogen in induced ovulators (not brought out of season early into the their breeding cycle) will likely lead to oestrogen toxidity, while the exact aetiology is unknown, the effects are well documented. Oestrogen toxidity attacks the bone marrow, more importantly the cells in which the bone marrow produces, red blood cells (RBC), white blood cells (WBC) and platelets.

 

Oestrogen toxidity can either significantly reduce the number of these cells produced by bone marrow and/or the cells production are abnormal/non-functional, therefore placing the jills health into risk.

 

Lack of normal levels of functioning RBCs can cause Aplastic Anaemia, with WBC compromising the immune system leading to infection and with platelets, haemorrage, both internal and external, the internal haemorrage can be spontaneous.

 

How every individual jill is affected by not being brought out of season, cannot be quantified unless blood sampled for cell count and/or the quality of the cells examined. As said before, oestrogen toxidity can affect the volume of cell production, abnormal cells, or both, however once oestrogen toxidity has done its damage to the bone marrows ability to produce healthy cells, it's irreversable.

 

Well, that is the physiological explantion anyway. ATB.

 

Edited to add, that if bone marrow is damaged, particularly by high levels of oestrogen, it loses density and function and can also lead to Oesteoprosis.

 

Spouting from books again ferret100, I ofered you to pay for my jills to be blood tested after being in season all summer without being mated or artificially taken out of season this time last year and declined stating I should pay for the blood tests!!!

I've done the same this year and the jills came out of season in September with absolutely no signs of being ill or shabby looking,in fact they've been to quite a few shows displaying the ferret wheels in action and had nothing but praise for their condition

Y.I.S Leeview

[ferret100 47]

Maybe but has anybody taken a dead jill and asked for a pm and the results say cause of death left in season

 

Not that I've personally known of, owners usually only request PMs for insurance policy purposes if needed and don't tend to want their pets opened up, poked around in, cause of death specified while paying for the privilege. However experimental research isn't sentimental and so why more and more diseases/illnesses etc are understood, prevented and treatable.

Edited October 21, 2012 by ferret100