Matt3699 142 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 Wagg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
milkydoethumper 13 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 sirlion steak boiled tatties peas and carrots.. trifle for afters and a bottle of bucky to wash it down only the best for milkydoethumpers dogs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
R.A.W 1,987 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 tried dr johns years ago thought it was shit dogs shit looked like they had the trotts ,wouldnt entertain it again. should have given them a bit of time on it. it's good value for money. some of my dogs do great on it. others need a bit extra Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albert64 1,882 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 i use arden grange, only a cup full with hearts, lamb, chicken and fish Quote Link to post Share on other sites
downsouth 7,422 Posted October 17, 2012 Report Share Posted October 17, 2012 In the past when i had running dogsi used Eukanuba and Purina Proplan.Also heard very good things about Arden Grange. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Good Man 196 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I was using gain, but found the greyhound 28 stuff went threw my dogs after a while. The record breaker is a lot better i hear, but its hard to get where i am. Red mills racer was bad their for a while, but, they have changed the formula and it does seem a lot better. I use red mills racer and excell, the excell seems very good for pups. I can also get this local to me, endless supply. I also feed raw along with this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ant9x 25 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 just wondering the best dry food to give a bull x ? Some of you guys are feeding a high protein complete food, and adding further protein. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 just wondering the best dry food to give a bull x ? Some of you guys are feeding a high protein complete food, and adding further protein. Not necessary, or always a good idea as dry and raw take different lengths of time to digest and process. Having said that, most dogs seem to cope reasonably well: canines are the ultimate adaptable animal, capable of assimilating and processing most types of food. Just look at all the scavenging dogs in the third world: you can bet their diet isn't 'appropriate to species' but they survive, though interesting to note that most bitches who survive by scavenging from village dumps seldom whelp more than 3 or 4 pups, and half of those will probably not make it to adulthood. Those sort of dogs are more like Dingoes in size: small to medium: the lack of protein in their diets doesn't allow for large litters to grow in the bitch, nor to make a big sized dog. Also interesting to see that humans who eat a largely vegetarian diet, those who have evolved to do so over thousands of years (India, China etc) are not generally as big as humans who have evolved on a more meat-based diet. Of course genetics come into it, but the lower protein levels must also have a part to play, though I haven't been able to find any information on this subject: not looked that hard, but to me it makes sense. Anyway, back to dog food: as I've said many times before, a raw diet is, in my opinion and many others too, a damn sight better than paying through the nose for some manufacturer to get rich by selling rubbish which is marketed as dog food. Look at any of the cheaper foods: they are all cereal based: the primary ingredients generally being wheat, rice or some other cereal. Those types of food also contain a lot of 'fillers' in the form of beet pulp, soya etc. There is very little meat in such foods, and what there is will be the waste from other products: chicken feet and feathers, animal skins etc etc. OK, they do contain protein, but the best protein comes from red muscle meat: chock full of red blood. Pure protein, and what dogs do best on. Fresh protein is of great importance not only to growth, but also to healing: muscle fibres, wounds, injuries. Here's a little tale: I once bought in a lurcher: bad condition; sores on end of tail and hocks. Bad coat, stinking breath. Teeth all clagged up with dark brown plaque. The dog had been fed on a cheap complete food. He didn't even know what a bone was. The previous owner said that the sores just wouldn't heal. Within a month on a raw diet (chicken carcases, red meat etc) the sores had not only healed, but the fur was growing back well. The dog's breath no longer stunk like a sewage pit, and his coat was sleek and shiny. And his teeth were pearly white from chewing on chicken carcases and lamb ribs. That is just one of the reasons I won't feed complete food, though I do keep a bag of Markus Muehle in the shed for the odd occasion that I run out of fresh food. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
trenchfoot 4,243 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 just wondering the best dry food to give a bull x ? Some of you guys are feeding a high protein complete food, and adding further protein. Not necessary, or always a good idea as dry and raw take different lengths of time to digest and process. Having said that, most dogs seem to cope reasonably well: canines are the ultimate adaptable animal, capable of assimilating and processing most types of food. Just look at all the scavenging dogs in the third world: you can bet their diet isn't 'appropriate to species' but they survive, though interesting to note that most bitches who survive by scavenging from village dumps seldom whelp more than 3 or 4 pups, and half of those will probably not make it to adulthood. Those sort of dogs are more like Dingoes in size: small to medium: the lack of protein in their diets doesn't allow for large litters to grow in the bitch, nor to make a big sized dog. Also interesting to see that humans who eat a largely vegetarian diet, those who have evolved to do so over thousands of years (India, China etc) are not generally as big as humans who have evolved on a more meat-based diet. Of course genetics come into it, but the lower protein levels must also have a part to play, though I haven't been able to find any information on this subject: not looked that hard, but to me is makes sense. Anyway, back to dog food: as I've said many times before, a raw diet is, in my opinion and many others too, a damn sight better than paying through the nose for some manufacturer to get rich by selling rubbish which is marketed as dog food. Look at any of the cheaper foods: they are all cereal based: the primary ingredients generally being wheat, rice or some other cereal. Those types of food also contain a lot of 'fillers' in the form of beet pulp, soya etc. There is very little meat in such foods, and what there is will be the waste from other products: chicken feet and feathers, animal skins etc etc. OK, they do contain protein, but the best protein comes from red muscle meat: chock full of red blood. Pure protein, and what dogs do best on. Fresh protein is of great importance not only to growth, but also to healing: muscle fibres, wounds, injuries. Here's a little tale: I once bought in a lurcher: bad condition; sores on end of tail and hocks. Bad coat, stinking breath. Teeth all clagged up with dark brown plaque. The dog had been fed on a cheap complete food. He didn't even know what a bone was. The previous owner said that the sores just wouldn't heal. Within a month on a raw diet (chicken carcases, red meat etc) the sores had not only healed, but the fur was growing back well. The dog's breath no longer stunk like a sewage pit, and his coat was sleek and shiny. And his teeth were pearly white from chewing on chicken carcases and lamb ribs. That is just one of the reasons I won't feed complete food, though I do keep a bag of Markus Muehle in the shed for the odd occasion that I run out of fresh food. Markus Muehle is great stuff, but because its cold pressed it doesn't have a long shelf life, and will deteriorate quickly after that. keep an eye on the use by date or they end up with the squits. If your using it on daily basis its not an issue Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 6-7 months from the date of production. I can live with that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sirius 1,391 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 I love eukafeckingradioactivefunnycolouredcearealbasedextrudedkibbleuba for my dog then I top it up with waggdiscocolouredmadefromcrap for dessert :laugh: Seriously if you want to feed a dry it will cost you alot to get a fraction of the way near what you can achive feeding raw. A mixture of both is up to the owner, but I prefer feeding 100% fresh food. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inan 841 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 just wondering the best dry food to give a bull x ? Some of you guys are feeding a high protein complete food, and adding further protein. Not necessary, or always a good idea as dry and raw take different lengths of time to digest and process. Having said that, most dogs seem to cope reasonably well: canines are the ultimate adaptable animal, capable of assimilating and processing most types of food. Just look at all the scavenging dogs in the third world: you can bet their diet isn't 'appropriate to species' but they survive, though interesting to note that most bitches who survive by scavenging from village dumps seldom whelp more than 3 or 4 pups, and half of those will probably not make it to adulthood. Those sort of dogs are more like Dingoes in size: small to medium: the lack of protein in their diets doesn't allow for large litters to grow in the bitch, nor to make a big sized dog. Also interesting to see that humans who eat a largely vegetarian diet, those who have evolved to do so over thousands of years (India, China etc) are not generally as big as humans who have evolved on a more meat-based diet. Of course genetics come into it, but the lower protein levels must also have a part to play, though I haven't been able to find any information on this subject: not looked that hard, but to me it makes sense. Anyway, back to dog food: as I've said many times before, a raw diet is, in my opinion and many others too, a damn sight better than paying through the nose for some manufacturer to get rich by selling rubbish which is marketed as dog food. Look at any of the cheaper foods: they are all cereal based: the primary ingredients generally being wheat, rice or some other cereal. Those types of food also contain a lot of 'fillers' in the form of beet pulp, soya etc. There is very little meat in such foods, and what there is will be the waste from other products: chicken feet and feathers, animal skins etc etc. OK, they do contain protein, but the best protein comes from red muscle meat: chock full of red blood. Pure protein, and what dogs do best on. Fresh protein is of great importance not only to growth, but also to healing: muscle fibres, wounds, injuries. Here's a little tale: I once bought in a lurcher: bad condition; sores on end of tail and hocks. Bad coat, stinking breath. Teeth all clagged up with dark brown plaque. The dog had been fed on a cheap complete food. He didn't even know what a bone was. The previous owner said that the sores just wouldn't heal. Within a month on a raw diet (chicken carcases, red meat etc) the sores had not only healed, but the fur was growing back well. The dog's breath no longer stunk like a sewage pit, and his coat was sleek and shiny. And his teeth were pearly white from chewing on chicken carcases and lamb ribs. That is just one of the reasons I won't feed complete food, though I do keep a bag of Markus Muehle in the shed for the odd occasion that I run out of fresh food. I've heard of Marcus Parish , but not Markus Muehle.If I fed dry, and had loads of wonga, I would give them ORIGEN. ps P, do you feed your oats raw ,or mix them in with a broth? I currently give mine in a pudding with giblets, blitzed raw veg, brown rice, and eggs. NB three sss's in carcasses Author. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.talktalk.co.uk/reference/dictionaries/english/data/d0081702.html I know that carcase is the old fashioned English spelling. The American English 'carcass' seems to have taken over in modern UK spelling, but as I'm an old fart I'll stick with the old fashioned spelling 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
inan 841 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 http://www.talktalk....a/d0081702.html I know that carcase is the old fashioned English spelling. The American English 'carcass' seems to have taken over in modern UK spelling, but as I'm an old fart I'll stick with the old fashioned spelling That is your prerogative, young lady. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skycat 6,173 Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Young? You are too kind, sir Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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