dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I reckon anyone who registers a terrier with the Kennel Club thesedays needs their heeds checked! After all they done to destroy our working types. once your breeding to so called 'breed standards', then your no longer selecting purely on performance. Its all bad news to me. Just my opinions 2 Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 What is a Parson Russell, i've simply never bothered finding out... Is it simply a Jack Russell with papers, less working ability and an inflated price tag..??? The Parson Jack Russell Terrier Club (PJRTC) was first formed in 1983. In the main its committee and membership in those early days consisted of ex members of the Jack Russell Terrier Club of Great Britain (JRTCGB) who wanted to take the working Jack Russell Terrier down the Kennel Club route. It was something which the vast majority of JRTCGB members did not want and as a result this group broke away and formed their own club (PJRTC). Following years of lobbying and representation, in January 1990 the Kennel Club eventually recognised the “Parson Jack Russell Terrier” as a separate breed from the Working Jack Russell Terrier despite their earlier history and in many instances common bloodlines as their working counterparts. If my memory serves me right, the Chairman of the PJRTC at that time was the late Barry Jones, who at that time was also Chairman of the Fell & Moorland WTC and the NWTF. In August 1999, with the agreement of the Kennel Club the PJRTC dropped the word “Jack” from its title and the Kennel Club variation of the Working Jack Russell Terrier became known (as it is today) as the Parson Russell Terrier. I suspect as is normally the case…. Bosun’s pretty much hit the nail on the head. J.M.H.O. - Barrie HANDY LOOKING TERRIERS DONNY C, Yeah must be the foxterrier blood :D Quote Link to post
Bosun11 537 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 What is a Parson Russell, i've simply never bothered finding out... Is it simply a Jack Russell with papers, less working ability and an inflated price tag..??? it started when a load of women broke away from the jrtcgb with the view to taking the jack russell into the kc -- saw a parson a few week ago shit jacket no undercoat snippy muzzle long tail dew claws on pink underbelly one cocked ear and long in the leg -- poor effort all round cost the proud new owner 550 notes .. i`d stay well clear or parsons and look at something else Cheers Stig... The last fecking thing i'd want would be a Parson, along with White Lakies an Plummers... All created with a different agenda than earth work IMO. I put the post up because in all honesty, though I sort of knew what they were, i'd never asked the question for a definitive answer. Quote Link to post
the_stig 6,614 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 What is a Parson Russell, i've simply never bothered finding out... Is it simply a Jack Russell with papers, less working ability and an inflated price tag..??? it started when a load of women broke away from the jrtcgb with the view to taking the jack russell into the kc -- saw a parson a few week ago shit jacket no undercoat snippy muzzle long tail dew claws on pink underbelly one cocked ear and long in the leg -- poor effort all round cost the proud new owner 550 notes .. i`d stay well clear or parsons and look at something else Cheers Stig... The last fecking thing i'd want would be a Parson, along with White Lakies an Plummers... All created with a different agenda than earth work IMO. I put the post up because in all honesty, though I sort of knew what they were, i'd never asked the question for a definitive answer. had white lakie types for years and while they suited my needs --i liked the look of em and they won me a few shows they dont make the best out n out grafing dogs .. Quote Link to post
buster gonads 862 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Kevj, i,ve a mate with a litter of white lakey/russell,s/parson,s, call them what you will, about 5 weeks old, some all white some with eye patch,s, leggy type, both dam and sire work, if you pm me your phone number i,ll pass it on, buster. Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I reckon anyone who registers a terrier with the Kennel Club thesedays needs their heeds checked! After all they done to destroy our working types. once your breeding to so called 'breed standards', then your no longer selecting purely on performance. Its all bad news to me. Just my opinions KC do not tell you how and what to breed ..You breed whatever you want..As stated earlier only difference between a good type of russell and a parson is a bit of paper ..I dont register all my pups sometimes Ill register one out a litter so what are its litter siblings Russells or parsons ???It was a long time joke with me registering did it for fun ..Most of them come from the same stock anyway...Some people just cannot grasp the true facts just like the borders if its registered it cant work, if it hasnt been registered it will if bred right ..A bit of paper is just that a bit of paper bloody terrier doesnt know its registered does it..A breed standard is the owners preference not the KC But even there standard isnt far from the FMWTC s 4 Quote Link to post
Big bald beautiful 1,231 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Donny c They do look the part , very nice.good to see à working russel be it papered or not Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 I reckon anyone who registers a terrier with the Kennel Club thesedays needs their heeds checked! After all they done to destroy our working types. once your breeding to so called 'breed standards', then your no longer selecting purely on performance. Its all bad news to me. Just my opinions KC do not tell you how and what to breed ..You breed whatever you want..As stated earlier only difference between a good type of russell and a parson is a bit of paper ..I dont register all my pups sometimes Ill register one out a litter so what are its litter siblings Russells or parsons ???It was a long time joke with me registering did it for fun ..Most of them come from the same stock anyway...Some people just cannot grasp the true facts just like the borders if its registered it cant work, if it hasnt been registered it will if bred right ..A bit of paper is just that a bit of paper bloody terrier doesnt know its registered does it..A breed standard is the owners preference not the KC But even there standard isnt far from the FMWTC s If all your worried about is working terriers then why would you entertain the Kennel Club? They are a bunch of muppets that dont have the working ability of the breed at heart. If, like you say, it means nothing to you, why do you register some of your stock? 1 Quote Link to post
dogs-n-natives 1,182 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 If your refering to me, when you write 'some people just cannot grasp the true facts, if its registered it wont work', thats not the point Im making. Im not saying if its registered it wont work. Im saying WHY REGISTER with the kennel club, after all the bad they have done to the working breeds over the years???? Theres no way you do it for the good of the terrier as a working animal. Its either so you can sell for sill money, or to enter shows like crufts?? lol Quote Link to post
Kevj 434 Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Nice looking terriers donny c,could be just what I am looking for,sent you a pm,kev j Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 If your refering to me, when you write 'some people just cannot grasp the true facts, if its registered it wont work', thats not the point Im making. Im not saying if its registered it wont work. Im saying WHY REGISTER with the kennel club, after all the bad they have done to the working breeds over the years???? Theres no way you do it for the good of the terrier as a working animal. Its either so you can sell for sill money, or to enter shows like crufts?? lol Never been to a show for years only the hunting festival at Peterborough so thats out What bad have the KC done??? Do they come round and do your mating?? NO ..Money ??mine are cheaper than 99% of terriers advertised as stated £150 jabbed fair price dont you think??? I register odd ones because I can..As stated and stig knows it was my intention to go to crufts with a grafter just for the craic non docking stopped that ..Getting old now and memory fades but if I want to check a breeding or a past litter its just a click away..You just cannot grasp it can you? KC do not and cannot tell you what to breed to what thats your choice not theres ....Look up the breed standard of the KC on a parson it could fit any breed of working terrier and not far out either ..Its the breeders after the coin that feck any breed not the KC 3 Quote Link to post
donnyc 1,203 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Nice looking terriers donny c,could be just what I am looking for,sent you a pm,kev j Welcome to come and see a KC work but Ill leave the papers at home ..You can see a KC border work as well LOL .. 1 Quote Link to post
Rebel 837 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Fine dogs Cleanspade and DonnyC it would be grand to have a few of them. Some good pictures of white terriers in EDRD magazine this month. Would they be considered russels or parsons? Quote Link to post
TUFFTY 1,476 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 some people have no idea ... young KC dogs first time..some more KC stuff out and about ......Same price as any other terrier.. Papers if you want em Usually £150 jabbed ..Or free if I can trust you Very nice When you bringing my one over? Quote Link to post
Alli 923 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 2 OF MINE CALL THEM PARSONS, WHITE LAKIES, OR EVEN RUSSELLS, I CALL THEM WHITE BODIED TERRIERS THAT DO THE JOB. 2 Quote Link to post
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