Hollow point pellets?

[Tron 173]

What do you guys think about hollow point pellets? personally I think they are by and large a waste of money. I have carried out a few primitive tests by shooting them into water, mud, and scrapped clothing, all of which has shown virtually no to nothing expansion at all! their only use in my opinion is in shooting quarry were your usual round nose pellet passes through wihout delivering all its kinetic energy into the quarry. the fact that the hollow point dosent overpenatrate is I believe due to the blunter faced head and the fact its usually lighter than your normal ammo and hence although faster it also slows more rapidly. I have shot reversed normal pellets in the same tests and believe me thats the way a hollowpoint should behave! in .22 calibre the skirt is pulled back completely over the pellet head and becomes more like a 8 or 9m/m going by measurement., comments please guys.

Edited October 10, 2012 by Tron

[Phantom 631]

At Sub12 Ron, airgun pellets do not gather enough momentum to effectively expand, the only real expansion you will see is the skirt when the air pushes it out of the breech which is why pellets generally have such thin skirts, so they can expand into the rifling of the barrel.

Its a marketing ploy to get you to part with cash

 

Tony

[steve_7 10]

i used to use hollowpoints in sub .22 for ratting and domed for 20 yards + , this was going back 20 years ago and one day ran out of hollowpoints so used domes and coudnt tell the difference so from then on only bought domes for hunting, for me its more about getting the best pellet for the barrel and hitting the right spot and know yours and your rifles limit, all the best steve

[ArchieHood 3,692]

Put them in backwards for rats.

[ghillies 209]

i think theyre not that hot untill you up the velosities.. H@N wad cutters are ok..super hollow points are way too light for rats up close in .177 but they dunarf slap um proper lol... anoys the hell out of them lol.(binners).

[salop sniper 32]

Malc Barnard seemed to get good accuracy out of the H&N hunters ! What are they like expansion wise ?

 

Also doesnt it trash the barrel putting pellets in backwards ? And accuracy must be awful !

 

ATB

 

Matt

[ghillies 209]

a mild deformasion up one end of the skirt or nose in legal limit lol. (like a dent).. at the lower powers its a mtter of the nose end and how it clubs it rather than 30fp vapourising the pellet on the way in.

Edited October 11, 2012 by ghillies

[RossGym 1]

Was playing about with this last night.

 

Tried my Ultra .22 and my Hw97k .177 with normal and then hollowpoints into lots of layers of cardboard (only thing I had to hand) from about 20m.

 

With both the .177 and .22 the entry hole was identifiable as being a bit bigger/less round.

Again with both, the exit hole from the first sheet of cardboard was more messy and noticable bigger with more fraying.

Tiny bit less penetratino on both .177 and .22 in hollowpoint (but as per the points above you'd expct this).

 

What I did notice was that the .177 was less different compared to the .22, and I was surpriesed that my Ultra put the bigger .22 pellets through more layers of the flatened boxes than the smaller .177 - not fitting in with the .177 stright through and out the other side thing.

 

Need to try again on a bonless leg of pork or the like...

[RAMCAM 4]

With the impact shock of a .22 why would you need them?

Would you consider using hollow points if you had an FAC .177 pistol? you would get the expansion and only use a pistol 15 yards max, but you would only go for head shots using a .177 so there is still no point in using them.

Both my rifles and pistol are .177 so i'll be sticking to head shots only. My rifles are accurate out to 50 yards on paper using domed aa pellets.

[ghillies 209]

try some jelly..couple mixs worth you'll be able to estimate a flesh like lot.

 

next test is bone to brain.

 

basically a .22 retains more energy (its bigger).. but, on a hard or soft surface it varies, like a peace of lath wood the .177 goes nearly all the way through, the .22 just berries flush with no real penatrasion but it did crack the wood..posable a better for the wad cutter at legal limits.. if the pellet goes all the way through then some of the energy went with it, if it stops dead just inside all that pellet energy wacks it.. but thats getting inti sonic waves and the likes i think.. needless to say its a harder thump for one a proper pass on through for the other...as most people have notised a .177 goes on through a lot.. yet the .22 actually penatrates soft tissue more?

 

some people use cheap soap bars too, or latex mould cubes. on bird, the .22 hits a larger surface area of feather, and feathers are like samuri armur basicaly.. thiner penatrates it better. after that? what ever damage it does inside.

(not forgetting the velosity diference at 12fp mind).

 

 

edit(theres no sonic waves as such in 12fp stuff, the sonic 'wave' isue is the added distruction due the actual sonic boom and extreme presure diferences happening at a much faster rate..its diferent to what you'd think, the lead's nearly irelavent ish for want of simple exsplanasions).

Edited October 11, 2012 by ghillies

[RossGym 1]

Seems like a waste of jelly...

 

I need to chrono both of my guns now too - as soon as you think, even for a second, that power might be up/down, it doesn't o away until you see the numbers and do the sums!

[RossGym 1]

At Sub12 Ron, airgun pellets do not gather enough momentum to effectively expand, the only real expansion you will see is the skirt when the air pushes it out of the breech which is why pellets generally have such thin skirts, so they can expand into the rifling of the barrel.

Its a marketing ploy to get you to part with cash

 

Tony

 

Interestingly the .22 HP's I bought seem just as nicely made as my AirArms domed pellets, so it would be a poor ploy on their part to spend more effort making them wouldn't it?

 

I suppose it proves itself to some extent that I bought them in the first place!