reddawn 2,173 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 The bitch whent to a line bred saluki grey that I seen working many times and he really is top draw lots of good names in the pedigree including a Waterloo cup winning bitch ( his grandmother or great grandmother) ............. best bitch i had to date was bred very similar, i do hope you an the other guys who get pups get what yous want Quote Link to post
whippet 99 2,613 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 To start a line of lurchers from scratch you need to go back to basics and that means a first cross of some type my choice was a collie grey ... you then need to test the dog over many different terrains and quarry ... Put in hard positions and see what it does ... I have continuously taken my first cross collie grey out of her comfort zone and she has never let me down ... Then and only then should you look to breed from the dog ... You then need to find the right stud from a genuine owner who will tell you the truth about the dogs good and bad points ... Or better still walk out with the fella and the dog on a few occasions and see the dog in the field for yourself and make your mind up from what you see ...... Once the bitch is in season you should do everything in your power to help the bitch produce a healthy litter ... Her exercise will need to be tailored her food altered slightly and a good worming plan put in place ... the whelping area should be immaculate ... It should be spacious dry warm and comfortable for the bitch and she should be happy to be in there ....... Once the litter is born again no expense should be spared on rearing ... A good heat source a clean environment and the best grub when they start weaning ..... When the pups get old enough to leave the whelping box they should have lots of room to run and play in a safe area this will help to build strong pups ...... Before they go to they're new homes they should be well socialised they should hear the telly washing machine Hoover cars chickens ferrets cats kids ... Anything and everything the more they absorb as young pups the better balanced they will be as adults and less afraid of new things ...... This obviously a cut down version of what I want to say otherwise I will be typing all night and you would be bored with reading it .... I will be putting this into practice myself from next Sunday as my 8 year old first cross will be having her first and last litter she was put to a very very good dog so all things taken into consideration and no money spent on the rearing all the pups in the right hands should turn into good workers if not great workers .......... good luck with the whelping ,judging by the variety of frozen grub , they will be very lucky pups.... Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 To start a line of lurchers from scratch you need to go back to basics and that means a first cross of some type my choice was a collie grey ... you then need to test the dog over many different terrains and quarry ... Put in hard positions and see what it does ... I have continuously taken my first cross collie grey out of her comfort zone and she has never let me down ... Then and only then should you look to breed from the dog ... You then need to find the right stud from a genuine owner who will tell you the truth about the dogs good and bad points ... Or better still walk out with the fella and the dog on a few occasions and see the dog in the field for yourself and make your mind up from what you see ...... Once the bitch is in season you should do everything in your power to help the bitch produce a healthy litter ... Her exercise will need to be tailored her food altered slightly and a good worming plan put in place ... the whelping area should be immaculate ... It should be spacious dry warm and comfortable for the bitch and she should be happy to be in there ....... Once the litter is born again no expense should be spared on rearing ... A good heat source a clean environment and the best grub when they start weaning ..... When the pups get old enough to leave the whelping box they should have lots of room to run and play in a safe area this will help to build strong pups ...... Before they go to they're new homes they should be well socialised they should hear the telly washing machine Hoover cars chickens ferrets cats kids ... Anything and everything the more they absorb as young pups the better balanced they will be as adults and less afraid of new things ...... This obviously a cut down version of what I want to say otherwise I will be typing all night and you would be bored with reading it .... I will be putting this into practice myself from next Sunday as my 8 year old first cross will be having her first and last litter she was put to a very very good dog so all things taken into consideration and no money spent on the rearing all the pups in the right hands should turn into good workers if not great workers .......... good luck with the whelping ,judging by the variety of frozen grub , they will be very lucky pups.... The pups will have to starve some giant came to my place and emptied my freezer 1 Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Very welsh type the grandmother to my pup was identical but the grandfather is a stocky Scottish type an still going at 16 the mother to the pup is flat coated not as fluffy as your bitch but the same build it surprised me as she came out merle as the bitch is all border an the lurcher dog is one 16 off the merle type an has the wall eye and they all threw to his breeding It's not that they threw to his breeding , when breeding merle to non merle you will always pass on the merle pattern , wether it's to 1 pup or all so if the father is all white with a brown head with just the wall eye is that a merle ? I'm not tryin be a smart arse I just thought merle were like patchy all over Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Sire to the bitch is flint bred by m.gilmartin out of a bitch called meg and j.diamonds ben Dam to the bitch was holly an unregistered bitch out of my hubbys bloodline dam penny sire bruce my collies don't have any pedigree apart from the grandfather to the lurcher pup he is bred out off some trialling mans dogs the one who does the duck shows at game fairs I don't know the proper names without looking as he's nearly as old as me Quote Link to post
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 Sire to the bitch is flint bred by m.gilmartin out of a bitch called meg and j.diamonds ben Dam to the bitch was holly an unregistered bitch out of my hubbys bloodline dam penny sire bruce my collies don't have any pedigree apart from the grandfather to the lurcher pup he is bred out off some trialling mans dogs the one who does the duck shows at game fairs I don't know the proper names without looking as he's nearly as old as me The sire to my bitch was isds registered top trialing bred and of the pennyfeather type we have a fondness for. The dam was a brilliant little worker tricolor pennyfeather hill type, the bloodline for the family farm collie originally came from a dog known as captain who was also from trialling stock in the 's his pedigree is around somewhere. Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 U really know your stuff we don't have any pedigree just the same ones for a long while always have a collie or two knocking round the farm Quote Link to post
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 U really know your stuff we don't have any pedigree just the same ones for a long while always have a collie or two knocking round the farm Not at all, im just very lucky to know a couple who are into trialing in a very big way. Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 The way I see it if you think your bitch has potential I'd breed it to a whippet greyhound myself but only you will know if she is any use I wouldn't have bred my bitch as her father has that irritating thing were they fixate on something his thing is tyres that's why he has no teeth but he never started doin that until a couple years ago but accidents happen an my mum wanted it as a farm dog she has treated it as a collie not a lurcher but the lurcher breeding comes through if she is rounding up bantams will just pick them up and bring then back one by one instead off rounding them up but she is a lot more intelligent than my lurcher as he doesn't know left an right an i have tried for years to teach him an she knows at about 5 months he also had to be tought to jump she jumps anything she comes across an if she can't clear it scrambles up and over I'm waiting until she gets snagged as its an accident waiting to happen but she will learn Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 14, 2012 Report Share Posted October 14, 2012 The way the pups coming on you would think she would make a good lurcher as she is biddable an very smart an already making her own catches so early but I don't think she will have the pace to catch around me on the lamp if she learns the trick to squatters might have some use but I think my ferreting ideas out the window as she won't have the ferrets just strikes for them Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 here is the bitch and pup yesterday 1 Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,062 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 nice looking pup Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Yer thanks she is a nice looking little bitch the pic doesn't show but she has right thick hair on her tail it's a bit like pure collie looks strange on a light built dog have a big fat tail Quote Link to post
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