fitchet 788 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 How many pure greyhounds and pure bulls are grafters ? Not alot most greys come straight off the track are bred out of then given away .... Id allways try and breed best with the best but iv got a good honest dog and i might feel in the future i want one like him ill breed even though he isnt a world beater. Its all down to preference i think. ATB 2 Quote Link to post
staffpeg 217 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Ah f**k it then, i will stick a whippet over each of my bitches and hope for the best. Someone will have the pups hey good idea Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Think going alittle off here I know there's no guarrantee with dogs you put best to best and hope for best but in all fairness if you got half a brain you try all you can to put the odds in ur favours. Most replies here give Hancock his fuel if it doesn't matter then all these people breeding off un tested animals or jibers are doing right then yeah ????? Sounds backwards to me. I Garath got a 18inch whippet never caught a rabbit altho keeps trying. Jibs on pheasants just don't like the luck of em scared of his own farts but as thl reckons we could be on to sonething special Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted October 11, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 As my topic is about, wouldnt u wanna no alot about the breeder of your dog. Just reading a few post on here garath be the only one Id be happy owning dog off on this topic. If the rest put what they preach to practise f**k that 1 Quote Link to post
lapin2008 1,587 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 As my topic is about, wouldnt u wanna no alot about the breeder of your dog. Just reading a few post on here garath be the only one Id be happy owning dog off on this topic. If the rest put what they preach to practise f**k that No one is saying people should go and breed off shite dogs. They are just saying that even when you stack all the odds in your favour you can still get shit pups and the same goes in the other direction. Hence why some of the unworked dogs from hancock can also turn out alright 1 Quote Link to post
birddog 1,354 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 breeding 2 top class grafting 1 x collie greyhounds in theory sounds great and i have no doubt that some of the offspring would be ace but i'm just as sure some would throw the wrong way (ie grey brain and stamina with collie speed) i think thats why up until very recently at least hancock has bred from greyhound bitches which will have a levelling effect on the pups as well as a higher percentage having enough speed to make hunters, in good hands of course Quote Link to post
Daytimeonly 91 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Comparing to Hancock is no argument. Working dogs should be bred from working dogs. Obviously at some point pure collie was required to start off the lines. But not now. Why breed from a non working non hunting collie to produce Half crosses when there are loads of grafting half crosses already out there? dum question, you do that to get the first cross.... Dumb reply :-) Why do you need a half cross? Why not just cross 2 working dogs with a good chunk of collie in them? Everyone try's to complicate breeding dogs and have half of this and quarter of that. give your head a wobble, first cross isnt half cross... Quote Link to post
Chid 6,489 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Comparing to Hancock is no argument. Working dogs should be bred from working dogs. Obviously at some point pure collie was required to start off the lines. But not now. Why breed from a non working non hunting collie to produce Half crosses when there are loads of grafting half crosses already out there? dum question, you do that to get the first cross.... Dumb reply :-) Why do you need a half cross? Why not just cross 2 working dogs with a good chunk of collie in them? Everyone try's to complicate breeding dogs and have half of this and quarter of that. give your head a wobble, first cross isnt half cross... yes it is .. a first cross will always be a half cross but a half cross wont always be a first cross 1 Quote Link to post
bird 9,862 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Comparing to Hancock is no argument. Working dogs should be bred from working dogs. Obviously at some point pure collie was required to start off the lines. But not now. Why breed from a non working non hunting collie to produce Half crosses when there are loads of grafting half crosses already out there? dum question, you do that to get the first cross.... Dumb reply :-) Why do you need a half cross? Why not just cross 2 working dogs with a good chunk of collie in them? Everyone try's to complicate breeding dogs and have half of this and quarter of that. give your head a wobble, first cross isnt half cross... yes it is .. a first cross will always be a half cross but a half cross wont always be a first cross in a nutshell a 1x is 4 /8 greyhound and 4/8 what ever collie, bull,etc . A 2nd gen 1x you carnt guarantee each pup will have 4/8's from each parent .!! as above 1 Quote Link to post
bird 9,862 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Gareth, you can never reproduce a first cross, put say 2 half x beddy greyhounds together and you could end up with a 26 inch dog instead of 22,23 that's why people like first crosses because you know what size you'll get, the next mating you don't know. That's why. true, with 1xs you got a good idea on size, and temps seem to be alike as well . With any lurcher line you need a 1x to start from, but i would try to go from working collies, gsd, bulls etc, and good distance type greyhound , and with bit of luck you may get a good dog from them. Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 Comparing to Hancock is no argument. Working dogs should be bred from working dogs. Obviously at some point pure collie was required to start off the lines. But not now. Why breed from a non working non hunting collie to produce Half crosses when there are loads of grafting half crosses already out there? dum question, you do that to get the first cross.... Dumb reply :-) Why do you need a half cross? Why not just cross 2 working dogs with a good chunk of collie in them? Everyone try's to complicate breeding dogs and have half of this and quarter of that. give your head a wobble, first cross isnt half cross... Give your own a wobble pal. A first cross will always be a half cross. Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 there be lots to mull over when breeding animals for work , but as we no breeding from animals that are neither working stock bred lessen the chances of success. for those breeding generation types and lurcher lurcher the aim is should be to use only the very best avaliable , one can spend a life time in the fielsd with a said animal be as fit as can be with loads of experience but theres lots that no handler can give which will matter singleanimals need to be blessed with damn nigh the lot to be classed as above average and to achieve this i would source only the very best to reproduce willuy nilly breeding well maybe times of gone by one could get away with it and be very very lucky .breeding stock from quality animals with a history of gooduns will enhance the chances of good uns , and this tequnique of breeding if followed from one generation to the next will and does beget a higher ratio of above average animals per litter its a proven fact . Breeding from substandard stock will get the e only that , but then theres standards in just about everything to do with animal stockatb bunnys. Quote Link to post
fay 75 Posted October 11, 2012 Report Share Posted October 11, 2012 good mongrel is what u want bit of everyting in it lurcher to lurcher from good stock easy no 5/8s this 1/4 this simple 1 Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 12, 2012 Report Share Posted October 12, 2012 The way I see it the breeder is just as important as the dogs been bred out off because if he keeps his bitch in bad nick or isn't exactly truthful about how good the dogs are or Evan what cross they are you have no idea what your going to get Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 there be lots to mull over when breeding animals for work , but as we no breeding from animals that are neither working stock bred lessen the chances of success. for those breeding generation types and lurcher lurcher the aim is should be to use only the very best avaliable , one can spend a life time in the fielsd with a said animal be as fit as can be with loads of experience but theres lots that no handler can give which will matter singleanimals need to be blessed with damn nigh the lot to be classed as above average and to achieve this i would source only the very best to reproduce willuy nilly breeding well maybe times of gone by one could get away with it and be very very lucky .breeding stock from quality animals with a history of gooduns will enhance the chances of good uns , and this tequnique of breeding if followed from one generation to the next will and does beget a higher ratio of above average animals per litter its a proven fact . Breeding from substandard stock will get the e only that , but then theres standards in just about everything to do with animal stockatb bunnys. See thats it bunnys tell ya been around abit and got ya head screwed on. Quote Link to post
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