Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 ive been tempted to introduce my own line of sheepdogs to lurcher breeding... Problem is I only keep bitches and havent heard enough about breedings where the dog was a sighthound and the bitch a collie So this idea will remain on the backburner until I get a definitive answer as I wont be breeding a litter on a whim Quote Link to post
paulsmithy83 567 Posted October 13, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 ive been tempted to introduce my own line of sheepdogs to lurcher breeding... Problem is I only keep bitches and havent heard enough about breedings where the dog was a sighthound and the bitch a collie So this idea will remain on the backburner until I get a definitive answer as I wont be breeding a litter on a whim Firstly good that ur thinking it through should not be a whim Secondly my mate Jamie ( borntorun ) has one the dam was the collie sire grey she's 22-23tts Id say. She aint bad still young being in second season. Seen her progress from a young pup. Most she had when we been out is 26rab I think. Shes caught a few long un I seen her run that many times nice bitch . N will walk u into the ground unreal stamina. Only prob which Jamie will admit you say boo and she shits her pants way to hormonal. I dont like that in a dog n neather does Jamie but we put up with it cos what she puts in bag Quote Link to post
Chid 6,492 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 ive been tempted to introduce my own line of sheepdogs to lurcher breeding... Problem is I only keep bitches and havent heard enough about breedings where the dog was a sighthound and the bitch a collie So this idea will remain on the backburner until I get a definitive answer as I wont be breeding a litter on a whim It don't matter which way you breed them gem I know a few people who as had collie dams and it would be far easier to line a collie than it would a grey they can be b*****ds to get lined sometimes 2 Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 My collie bitch an my lurcher dog got together this is the result had four just like that my mum kept the one bitch pup for around the farm 1 Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Was a complete accident the collie was five an had never shown a season before walked onto the yard an they tied I would have had the jab to get rid as they are just over half collie as my lurcher Is collie whippet greyhound but my mum wanted one for around the farm for ratting and as she has kept the same line off collies for twenty years an they have always had small litters I agreed all the other pups have pet homes within two miles off home the pup we kept is four months and has Cought a few half grown rats an knows left and right and will round up hens an ducks all day given the chance no idea how it will work but going to try it with the ferrets later Quote Link to post
bunnys 1,228 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 days of old lots were bred this way base as the dam , comomon sense really as most had either terrier or collie about the place or nmixtures of both. atb bunnys. Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Well I thought all old time lurchers were a result of a backhand stud from the squires greyhound over the drovers dogs Quote Link to post
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 This is the bitch from my line, she barely has an off switch and would herd day and night if she was allowed. Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Very welsh type the grandmother to my pup was identical but the grandfather is a stocky Scottish type an still going at 16 the mother to the pup is flat coated not as fluffy as your bitch but the same build it surprised me as she came out merle as the bitch is all border an the lurcher dog is one 16 off the merle type an has the wall eye and they all threw to his breeding Quote Link to post
Lampalurcher 47 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 At the age this pup is she is looking like she will make 22 to 24 and is very stubborn if one hen is away from the flock she won't quit until its back Quote Link to post
Carraghs Gem 1,675 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Sire to the bitch is flint bred by m.gilmartin out of a bitch called meg and j.diamonds ben Dam to the bitch was holly an unregistered bitch out of my hubbys bloodline dam penny sire bruce Quote Link to post
Chid 6,492 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 Very welsh type the grandmother to my pup was identical but the grandfather is a stocky Scottish type an still going at 16 the mother to the pup is flat coated not as fluffy as your bitch but the same build it surprised me as she came out merle as the bitch is all border an the lurcher dog is one 16 off the merle type an has the wall eye and they all threw to his breeding It's not that they threw to his breeding , when breeding merle to non merle you will always pass on the merle pattern , wether it's to 1 pup or all Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 To start a line of lurchers from scratch you need to go back to basics and that means a first cross of some type my choice was a collie grey ... you then need to test the dog over many different terrains and quarry ... Put in hard positions and see what it does ... I have continuously taken my first cross collie grey out of her comfort zone and she has never let me down ... Then and only then should you look to breed from the dog ... You then need to find the right stud from a genuine owner who will tell you the truth about the dogs good and bad points ... Or better still walk out with the fella and the dog on a few occasions and see the dog in the field for yourself and make your mind up from what you see ...... Once the bitch is in season you should do everything in your power to help the bitch produce a healthy litter ... Her exercise will need to be tailored her food altered slightly and a good worming plan put in place ... the whelping area should be immaculate ... It should be spacious dry warm and comfortable for the bitch and she should be happy to be in there ....... Once the litter is born again no expense should be spared on rearing ... A good heat source a clean environment and the best grub when they start weaning ..... When the pups get old enough to leave the whelping box they should have lots of room to run and play in a safe area this will help to build strong pups ...... Before they go to they're new homes they should be well socialised they should hear the telly washing machine Hoover cars chickens ferrets cats kids ... Anything and everything the more they absorb as young pups the better balanced they will be as adults and less afraid of new things ...... This obviously a cut down version of what I want to say otherwise I will be typing all night and you would be bored with reading it .... I will be putting this into practice myself from next Sunday as my 8 year old first cross will be having her first and last litter she was put to a very very good dog so all things taken into consideration and no money spent on the rearing all the pups in the right hands should turn into good workers if not great workers .......... 1 Quote Link to post
patterdalejoel 669 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 To start a line of lurchers from scratch you need to go back to basics and that means a first cross of some type my choice was a collie grey ... you then need to test the dog over many different terrains and quarry ... Put in hard positions and see what it does ... I have continuously taken my first cross collie grey out of her comfort zone and she has never let me down ... Then and only then should you look to breed from the dog ... You then need to find the right stud from a genuine owner who will tell you the truth about the dogs good and bad points ... Or better still walk out with the fella and the dog on a few occasions and see the dog in the field for yourself and make your mind up from what you see ...... Once the bitch is in season you should do everything in your power to help the bitch produce a healthy litter ... Her exercise will need to be tailored her food altered slightly and a good worming plan put in place ... the whelping area should be immaculate ... It should be spacious dry warm and comfortable for the bitch and she should be happy to be in there ....... Once the litter is born again no expense should be spared on rearing ... A good heat source a clean environment and the best grub when they start weaning ..... When the pups get old enough to leave the whelping box they should have lots of room to run and play in a safe area this will help to build strong pups ...... Before they go to they're new homes they should be well socialised they should hear the telly washing machine Hoover cars chickens ferrets cats kids ... Anything and everything the more they absorb as young pups the better balanced they will be as adults and less afraid of new things ...... This obviously a cut down version of what I want to say otherwise I will be typing all night and you would be bored with reading it .... I will be putting this into practice myself from next Sunday as my 8 year old first cross will be having her first and last litter she was put to a very very good dog so all things taken into consideration and no money spent on the rearing all the pups in the right hands should turn into good workers if not great workers .......... what did you put your bitch too, what was your desicion? Quote Link to post
socks 32,253 Posted October 13, 2012 Report Share Posted October 13, 2012 The bitch whent to a line bred saluki grey that I seen working many times and he really is top draw lots of good names in the pedigree including a Waterloo cup winning bitch ( his grandmother or great grandmother) ............. Quote Link to post
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