A WARNING for tennants

[nasher1 258]

Clive Reece will give you free legal advise . I e-mailed him over something a year or so back and he rang me twice with advise , and also a few weeks later to make sure it was sorted .

This is the way to go take the free legal advise he will give you, it will take all the guesswork out of it and put your mind at rest.

[ghillies 209]

a little off track but, i had a chat with some bod a few year ago now, 5-6.. and they reconed 5 million cover isnt really enough if it gets into anything, as the opening moves cancost that, i opted for the ten milcover..

 

back on track, i had a chat with my solisiter regaurding a divorse and because i had a combat jacket on he fished about to see if i had any guns, so i told him a legal limit airgun, his reply was ''yes but have you got a licence for it'' he was confused when i said i didnt need one??! yeh go figure.

 

the fraize 'got a licence for' is either a tester to see if you know or a 'in controll' 'authoritarian' BS approach from a coach potatoe type thing, but these people are often in a pisosion of controll in some way so best being up on it before chatting to these people.

 

i'd go for the ring clive reece bit, read about him a couple three years back too..sposed to be good at it.

 

(ty for the number there, i lost it).

[Ant9x 25]

a little off track but, i had a chat with some bod a few year ago now, 5-6.. and they reconed 5 million cover isnt really enough if it gets into anything, as the opening moves cancost that, i opted for the ten milcover..

 

back on track, i had a chat with my solisiter regaurding a divorse and because i had a combat jacket on he fished about to see if i had any guns, so i told him a legal limit airgun, his reply was ''yes but have you got a licence for it'' he was confused when i said i didnt need one??! yeh go figure.

 

the fraize 'got a licence for' is either a tester to see if you know or a 'in controll' 'authoritarian' BS approach from a coach potatoe type thing, but these people are often in a pisosion of controll in some way so best being up on it before chatting to these people.

 

i'd go for the ring clive reece bit, read about him a couple three years back too..sposed to be good at it.

 

(ty for the number there, i lost it).

Your welcome

[Phantom 631]

Sounds like they're getting their wires crossed Tony. Those restrictions probably only apply to licensed firearms and the stupid/lazy c**ts can't be bothered to check their own rules on such things before acting..

 

It's fooking H&S gone mad Malt!

 

Sent you a message mate

 

Thanks for that, replied while I was reading this lot

 

Hi SS, I live in a one room appartment, my guns are all in slips, there are my shooting trophies and photographs of me shooting on the walls.

He told me that he was a paintballer and skirmisher. He asked me if I was an airgunner and I said yes. He saw a Baretta Pistol on my desk that I was working on, he saw my slips that house my rifles and I have no doubt that he noticed my collection of inert rounds as well as they were near my Shooting Trophies and Airgun Books on the bookshelves.

 

Tony

 

One of those realistic 92F type ones?

 

You can sort of see why he'd be concerned if that was the case, what if it was real and he'd stumbled on a loon ..........

 

Hopefully it will be easily sorted for you though, if there's no offence then there's nothing more to do or say surely?

 

If it was real and I was a loon, the council wouldn't be investigating it and I'd be busy cleaning his carcass ready for the pot (I hate wasting a good kill) and even then the council can not use my mental health issues against me.

 

I can sort of understand, but when he asked about it I told him it was a 6mm plastic bb' gun.

We then got onto HPA verses Co2 power source for his Paintballs and skirmishing guns. In fact the 92 that he saw is one used for skirmishing and it uses Green Gas just like his own skirmishing guns.

If I was to purchase it now, I would have to be registered and have Skirmish club membership with insurance. However it was purchased years ago so is excluded from the VCRA 2007.

 

Sorry to say this but it's a good old case of tell nobody nowt all guns should be kept in a gunsafe out of the way even if being repaired just because they're air guns doesnt make them any less lethal also if he's told his bosses who else might he have told ie mates down the pub local scallys etc I would be more worried about having my house robbed than pen pushers IMO as has been said before though an air gun unless fac does not require a licence so you should be ok on the council side of things but get a nice big cabinet for your guns ;-)

 

Thanks, we appear to be at odds over part of this though, I am a firm believer in letting people know that I shoot and, more importantly that what I shoot is legal, be it vermin or paper targets in competitions. I also like to make a point that I am someone who take safety and security seriously. I am also a believer that it's because most of us would rather keep quiet about our hobby, sport and passtimes that our rights have been so eroded by the ever louder gobsh!te Anti's that scream the loudest.

They take every opportunity to deny us our rights and most of us just sit back and put up with the opression.

But that is an entirely different thread and subject eh?

 

I don't have a gunsafe, and until I am legally obliged to have one I wont have one (got no room for a freaking washing machine or gas cooker in here so I cant fit a safe in either

 

Clive Reece will give you free legal advise . I e-mailed him over something a year or so back and he rang me twice with advise , and also a few weeks later to make sure it was sorted .

 

thanks for that Craig, I'll be mailing him shortly :notworthy"

 

 

Tony thats got to be some sort of joke what I just read.

 

WTF is this country coming to when a guy like yourself stays well within the law with no illegal issues, yet some scumbags in a shithole council house carry and keep every offensive weapon you can think off either on their premises or car on pretty much on their goodselves

 

It seems laws and rules are made everyday in this country these days without any oposition, laws get passed through parlament with never hear about until it effects us in someway. it seems the backbone is slowly being snapped in the UK now. years ago we would sit back and look at comunist countries in disbeleif at some of things that went on! it now looks like they are becoming more westernised and easy going and we are on the reverse......

 

I wish it were a joke bud unfortunately it is very true Tony And you are so correct in that analogy :yes:

 

I have just informed the editor of Airgun World of this situation, giving him brief details of the circumstances in the hope of some support.

Although I feel nothing will come of proceedings against Phantom, I regard this as another attempt by anti's to attack fieldsports in general.

This is a scatter gun approach by them in the hope that they get a hit now and again needs to be resisted.

 

Scatter gun eh Thought it was only old gits like myself that used that term these days

 

Thanks, I am however, sure that Terry has already read about this and I would love him to give me some support via the Mags, unfortunately he hasn't said anything to me either directly or via our mutual friends in the UBC (PAGE 27 of Oct AGW sees us getting good press again!). Like most mags, its a case of "Promote the good!", but, "Lets not mention or bring it firther to the attention of others about something that's got negative undertones"

 

I think I have a handle on this and have the council under control!

But I know how persistant they can be I had to spend over a year in the courts trying the same council to do what they said they could not do! They said that if I handed in my notice (had to do that due to divorce) that they would not transfer the tennancy of the last property into a single one under my exwifes name, so they would be homeless. I got the court order forcing them to do that so the ex and our kids still have a home

If needed, I will fight them again. I just dont want to, I just want to be left alone to get on with my life in peace and quiet.

 

 

I'll let you all know how it turns out

 

Tony

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[Whizzie 38]

Tony.

A sad day for common sense, however rest assured my friend, I feel all is not lost, despite the initial concerns. Can I ask what kind of tenancy agreement you have? Are you on a 'secure tenancy'? Most Local authority tenants have what is termed as a secure tenancy. In rental situations, this is about as good as having a mortgage on your own home. It must say on the top of the first page of your tenancy agreement what kind of tenancy you have. It's very hard to be evicted from a secure tenancy. Very very hard.

I am assuming you are on a secure tenancy, as I believe this to be the case. In any event, for a local authority Or indeed a private landlord to terminate a tenancy, they give you a written explanation as to how you have breached your tenancy agreement and must 'serve a notice' on you, telling you when you must quit your tenancy (move out). If you choose not to, they must process the matter in a county court. Only a County Court judge can evict you from your home. And judges do not make people homeless lightly. So rest easy.

Provided there are no other grounds for complaints re anti social behaviour, no concerns from neighbours re noise etc, if you were CRB checked etc, you'll come up clean, then there are no mitigating circumstances, common sense will prevail as will the rule of law.

Your home falls into tenancy contract law & it is reasonable to keep your guns at home.

The issue of the tenancy agreement is the only technical one, & the sole bone of contention here. It is important to evidence what the guns are used for, how they are transported to the site of their use etc, provide evidence of your permission slips, for the work you do & evidence all items of concern are stored Safely & in accordance with the relevent legislation (VCR bill etc).

I honestly think it will pass as a storm in a T cup. I think an important point is to avoid being seen as Militant towards them. If you can give them a clear impression that you are wanting to work with them, and satisfy their requirements, While being equally clear that you haven't done anything wrong, you haven't broken any laws and if anything, you are only guilty of a slight misdemeanour / misunderstanding in terms of not telling them about 'your "SPORTS EQUIPMENT'" Which is not an offensive weapon... You'll be fine.

And don't jump into giving up a secure tenancy for anything in the private rented sector. An assured short hold tenancy doesn't afford you anything like near a secure tenancy.

PM me if you wanna know more.

 

Whizzie.

[Phantom 631]

Thanks Whizzie

I have just been looking at my original Tennancy, it was a non-secure tennancy as this place was supposed to be a stop-gap emergancy accomodation for 28 days only (yet here I am almost two years later!).

 

After a few months they gave me a secure tenancy of the place. Funny how the original non-secure documents dont mention guns or weapons, being either FAC or not!

 

You've certainly helped put my mind at ease and thanks for the above and the PM.

I'm now more sure than ever of a positive outcome

 

Tony

[Whizzie 38]

Glad to put an objective view on it mate. We can understand why the local authority are edgy, they have to be seen to be doing what's right. And they've had some difficult and challenging issues to manage over the last few years on the likes of Bransholme, Orchard park & similar areas, where serious levels of crime & anti social behaviour have been a huge problem.

That said, they should respect you as an individual, and take your individual circumstances into consideration. You use & store your guns lawfully & legitimately, and have a clear track record of doing so. You also provide a valued service to a number of landowners, who would no doubt give you supporting references, regarding the work undertaken on their land. And another point of consideration is the equipment they are concerned about, will also form some of the tools in your tool kit, as you progress towards your chosen career as a professional pest controller. I truly believe this will end in a positive outcome, so keep your chin up, remain courteous & professional, in the face of challenging days & everything will be well, perhaps with a bump or 2 in the road.

See PM.

 

Whizzie.

[Phantom 631]

I emailed Clive Rees,

He didn't seem too interested

 

I have still not heard anything from the Council (but then when they are wrong they dont like to admit it!) So I take this as something Positive

 

Having emailed BASC, although they cant comment until I become a member (as I expected) next week, the lady that replied to my mail sent me a couple of PDF documents

One of these Documents has been written in co-operation from BASC and the National Landlords Association and it is entitled "Firearms Storage in Rented Accommodation" Together, these documents that quote passages from both Statute and Case Law basically tell the council to feck off and leave me in piece

I'm not going to chase the council, I'm awaiting their next move but TBH I dont think they will try or say anything at all now.

If they do I shall readilly hand over these documents with a smile on my face.

The cost of joining BASC is now insignificant compared to the information and now piece of mind that these two documents have given me.

 

Tony