Plummer owners past and present

[Big bald beautiful 1,231]

good luck with getting the clubs to sit down and talk but it will not happen, too many "yes men" fighting for the throne.

this thread pisses me off and isnt good for the blood pressure..lol

so if you need to ask me owt pm please...

 

have fun with what ever red and white dog floats your boat

[stormyboy 1,352]

I may be wrong but I'm starting to get the impression that you're not a plummer fan BBB!

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Well I thought as the information seems to have dried up in the pm's and posts I would give a preliminary without naming dogs just clubs and the results have been surprising,the EPTS were by far the worst regarding all faults,so much for keeping them pure,it appears your gene pool has limited your offspring,second are the PTA dogs and surprisingly the new blood PTCGB with legion lines had very few reported to me,it appears the "legion" breeding programme has produced the sort of dogs Brian hoped it would,if there are any more that wish to contribute then this may well change,WM

[stormyboy 1,352]

The result stands to reason-provided the o.c. did not introduce other faults,fault carriers from 'pure' lines would be dispersed in the bigger gene pool and less likely to meet and double the recessive fault carrying genes. Rigorous selective breeding should continue the trend.

 

These results won't be taken well in some quarters methinks!!

[388phil 31]

As bad as things are now, the breed would be in a lot more trouble if it wasn't for the outcross so has anyone any suggestions how we go about getting the club committee's talking.

[legion 13]

well, what can i, thanks for taking the trouble, as stated earlier my experience with the oc programme leads me to belief the new blood dogs should be surveyed via Gareth, see whats still alive and healthy, look for some percentage new blood on both sides and use that stock whilst its still alive, give it five years and if there is no improvement sit down to discuss another outcross.

I rated the new blood dogs over Legion pure lines, but they are Remlap and dont suit kennel life, too much going on in their heads, need a lot of work. The new blood are a lot more laid back, chill out but when needed are equal to the remlap stock for work.

I would see if Mask can still mate bitches and use him over a few lines, good strong bitches if poss, pure lines away from coalport if possible. He is nine, over red, red stock is proven and any true terrier man would have loved to work nine, biddable, strong dog, retrieve and loved to scrap. No bitching about no foxes on the hebs, nine fought tougher than that -there is much talk about this and that new blood, if nine had have been red and white in my opinion he would have been the best possible out cross and i honestly think time will prove me right.

cheers Tim.

[wirral countryman 2,110]

Tim,you offered me a bitch a year or so ago and Sue fell out with me because I could not stand to see a full tail but the breeding programme that you bred has been proven to be a step in the right direction according to the reported faults so far,I must congratulate you for seeing it through and I wish Gareth well for the future with the stock you have produced and I will certainly be using some of the new blood over my bitch sometime soon,atb,WM

[legion 13]

WC, speak to Gareth, there must be some high % new blood dogs around and if so they are long lived. There was a new blood bitch in cumbria, went to a working lad, worked everything so i was told.. Legion ZY, nine over coalport Jill, right good stamp of a bitch but bridle and white, earned a right good rep for earth work - somewhere to start.

all the best Tim.

[tinytiger 822]

only ever owned 1 plummer bitch died at the age of 5 of lepto, she was from a man called phil fish from ammanford wales i think she was out of a dog called sonatal nailer . i would like to own another but the silly prices put me off i only payed 100 quid for the bitch. atb sp

 

he was the grandfather of a handy bitch i had,unfortunately she was nicked about a year ago-her dam was off a bitch bred by legion-no problems with any of them.Id say sonatal nailer was born before the outcross-i think theres a brother of nailers alive somewhere(must be 16 or 17)

[HGN 150]

tinytiger did you ever get the pedigree background to Jazz? Wasn't she Legion bred?

[tinytiger 822]

her dam came from legion,she was by nine and im not sure what bitch she was out of.

I did think she was out of l.red but i think there was another litter by nine fairly close in time to bear,mask etc..Sorry for not txting you back (havnt had credit in a while)

[HGN 150]

not a bother - its such a bloody shame not to know the fuller background to Bruce

[littledai 0]

Hello all,just had a look at this conversation,it seems simple to me ,just get your main studs DNA tested,I believe animal health trust ,carry out this service,it would be voluntary ,and could only help the breed.

[legion 13]

Good point, survey the whole breed, grade the dogs and bitches against the breed standard(breed shows are supposed to be for this reason) and form a breeding group, run by a commitee made up of respected members from all clubs. Pendragon,pinsley,oakfield,pitmans, saxon and stonyford and others. The breed standard is the same for all clubs so no arguing over that, job done.

The PTA were the original club, the PTCGB set up for the new blood, now the new blood has been accepted onto the data base, the two clubs should come together, this is the sticking point, The EPTS members should join the one club then we can all move forward.

If only life was that simple.

I have backed out to be happy as a member of the one club, can others do the same, time will tell...

[wirral countryman 2,110]

A great post TIM and one that genuine kennells,lines etc,should of been doing years ago,NOW is the time for action and sounding out all members to move forward in unison,if the EPTS wish to isolate themselves then so be it,the many will always have a stronger voice collectively and its time the 2 major players became 1,there are enough genuine lads out there now to make the difference and there are many that would help with a breeding programme,its all about communication and the internet should be a major help towards making it into a smooth process,maybe we could have some comment from SCOTT or GARETH as they are both members on here and have been following both threads,WM