Cross breeding

[alimac 882]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

[slips 114]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

that was a harsh card to pull downsouth patterjacks you no i add a soft spot for them .....................................in a hole

[TOPPER 1,809]

just put the best of the best to the best and hope for the best

[slips 114]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

i think specsavers are doing a deal on that condition and i would like to know as well thanks

[downsouth 7,217]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

[slips 114]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

so what ya saying

[whippet 99 2,613]

just put the best of the best to the best and hope for the best

thats what my mum and dad said when they made me.................................

[The Breeder 156]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

WELL SAID

[harvey d 43]

breed for colour lads thats all they did in the past

[alimac 882]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

so what ya saying

I think he's saying he would settle using a "decent" quality bitch to a super dog rather that a super dog to a super bitch just because there a different type..

So in 20 years what haven't you seen in other working terrier types that your gould & nuttal do for you that can't be bettered??

From what iv seen most dogs that have "big" names attatched to them have been a pile of wank stain, not saying yours are before you have a Internet explosion, but you do have me really puzzled on a/ the fact in 20 years you haven't seen any top class dogs apart from blacks & what they do that's so good that you refuse to use a better quality worker in a breeding over a particular black, other than because of the colour of its fur.

[downsouth 7,217]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

so what ya saying

I think he's saying he would settle using a "decent" quality bitch to a super dog rather that a super dog to a super bitch just because there a different type..

So in 20 years what haven't you seen in other working terrier types that your gould & nuttal do for you that can't be bettered??

From what iv seen most dogs that have "big" names attatched to them have been a pile of wank stain, not saying yours are before you have a Internet explosion, but you do have me really puzzled on a/ the fact in 20 years you haven't seen any top class dogs apart from blacks & what they do that's so good that you refuse to use a better quality worker in a breeding over a particular black, other than because of the colour of its fur.

Iwould always use best available to best available.Maybe im luckier than other you in that i have access to at least 3 top quality black dogs from bloodlines that suit me and no i dont believe the can be bettered,Put them in dig them out anywhere so what could any other dog from any other breed do better than that.And in the last 20 years no i havnt seen a dog of any other colour come even close to the best blacks that ive seen work but then ive seen a lot more blacks work,Some very good and some shit.Now if somebody came to me with a top quality Russel bitch asking if i knew of a top quality black dog to use on it i would tell them to do their homework and try to find a top quality russel dog to use on it.Do you not wonder why most of the busiest terriermen tend to stick to a particular breed usually all bred from the same family/line.

[howsshefrom 32]

couldnt agree with downsouth more

[BOLSTER 808]

just put the best of the best to the best and hope for the best

 

 

That's the one, whether its black white brown or fcuking yellow

[slips 114]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

so what ya saying

I think he's saying he would settle using a "decent" quality bitch to a super dog rather that a super dog to a super bitch just because there a different type..

So in 20 years what haven't you seen in other working terrier types that your gould & nuttal do for you that can't be bettered??

From what iv seen most dogs that have "big" names attatched to them have been a pile of wank stain, not saying yours are before you have a Internet explosion, but you do have me really puzzled on a/ the fact in 20 years you haven't seen any top class dogs apart from blacks & what they do that's so good that you refuse to use a better quality worker in a breeding over a particular black, other than because of the colour of its fur.

Iwould always use best available to best available.Maybe im luckier than other you in that i have access to at least 3 top quality black dogs from bloodlines that suit me and no i dont believe the can be bettered,Put them in dig them out anywhere so what could any other dog from any other breed do better than that.And in the last 20 years no i havnt seen a dog of any other colour come even close to the best blacks that ive seen work but then ive seen a lot more blacks work,Some very good and some shit.Now if somebody came to me with a top quality Russel bitch asking if i knew of a top quality black dog to use on it i would tell them to do their homework and try to find a top quality russel dog to use on it.Do you not wonder why most of the busiest terriermen tend to stick to a particular breed usually all bred from the same family/line.

i can see what ya saying now yer bang on downsouth im starting get it now

[alimac 882]

Over the years ive chosen to keep dogs going back to Gould and Old Nuttal blood as in my opinion they are the best dogs for what i want with the exception of some of the Stevens type stuff that ive seen in the last few years but from what i can work out and what ive been told right or wrong they go back to old Gould stuff anyway.If i saw a black dog from a different line that was far superior to anything i knew of from them lines that was a proven producer even when outcrossed i would consider using it but as for a different breed no way.In just over 20 years of keeping working terriers ive yet to see a Russell,Lakey,Border that can better a top class black dog for what i want thats why i never kept Russells,Lakeys or Borders.Slips would you have used a Russel on Moss or Fran ?

So what exactly do you want??

kennel blindness, don't think your optition will know of the condition but that's what your suffering from.. To say you wouldn't use a different type over a black of yours even if it was superior at its job is madness plain and simple. I'm also sad to say that a top class Russell lakey or what ever is just as good as a top class fell. I'm sure you will disagree but what in your opinion can a top class black do that let's say a top class Russell can't?

I said i hadnt seen one that could better a top class black dog,I didnt say there wernt any as good and that was marshmans question.Now if i was to see a Russell that completely blew me away a real superdog best thing id ever seen i still wouldnt put on one of my black bitches.Id be looking to try and get a pup out of it to a similar bred bitch of decent quality as long as the dog was from a family of good quality workers.

so what ya saying

I think he's saying he would settle using a "decent" quality bitch to a super dog rather that a super dog to a super bitch just because there a different type..

So in 20 years what haven't you seen in other working terrier types that your gould & nuttal do for you that can't be bettered??

From what iv seen most dogs that have "big" names attatched to them have been a pile of wank stain, not saying yours are before you have a Internet explosion, but you do have me really puzzled on a/ the fact in 20 years you haven't seen any top class dogs apart from blacks & what they do that's so good that you refuse to use a better quality worker in a breeding over a particular black, other than because of the colour of its fur.

Iwould always use best available to best available.Maybe im luckier than other you in that i have access to at least 3 top quality black dogs from bloodlines that suit me and no i dont believe the can be bettered,Put them in dig them out anywhere so what could any other dog from any other breed do better than that.And in the last 20 years no i havnt seen a dog of any other colour come even close to the best blacks that ive seen work but then ive seen a lot more blacks work,Some very good and some shit.Now if somebody came to me with a top quality Russel bitch asking if i knew of a top quality black dog to use on it i would tell them to do their homework and try to find a top quality russel dog to use on it.Do you not wonder why most of the busiest terriermen tend to stick to a particular breed usually all bred from the same family/line.

The original question was a theoretical one, ie "if" the best dog you knew for breeding was a different type would you still line your bitch.. I think your taking the question on a personal level as the 3 best dogs you know of are fell types. IF they weren't there I'm guessing you would out cross IF the best available was of a different type?

I never really think about what other terriermen keep or why, black white or what ever if they do the job and breed best to best then hats off to um, as i always say "there kennels there choice" il just carry on putting in and digging out with which ever colour dogs I decide to take out.