Is god real...

[Born Hunter 17,780]

My question is this, something can't from nothing, so what triggered the big bang..

 

I'm not really qualified to answer that but I can tell you the entire Universe was there before the big bang! By that I mean all the energy was there and therefore all of the matter (just in the form of energy and fundamental particles). The laws that govern our Universe now were different though, the fundamental forces of nature were a bit different so this affected the energy differently to what we see now. It's not outside of Physics though, just radically different to what we see at the moment.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

But then the answer falls short on many levels like how many things had to be perfect in order for us to have life here in any form. That is a very big issue . And once it did develop ,how our planetary cycles figured into the design to maximize life here.

 

I once heard it said that believeing that the Big Bang theory as the center for how life began on our planet is like believeing that a tornado can pass thru a junkyard and assemble a working Boeing 747 . That would require a shit load of faith , my friends .

Edited September 23, 2012 by Aaron Proffitt

[Born Hunter 17,780]

But then the answer falls short on many levels like how many things had to be perfect in order for us to have life here in any form. That is a very big issue . And once it did develop ,how our planetary cycles figured into the design to maximize life here.

 

I once heard it said that believeing that the Big Bang theory as the center for how life began on our planet is like believeing that a tornado can pass thru a junkyard and assemble a working Boeing 747 . That would require a shit load of faith , my friends .

 

The big bang didn't create life! It created the our known Universe. Life evolved as a separate mechanism entirely. I dare say the person that came out with that analogy hasn't a scientific qualification to his name so how the hell is he capable of of matching the statistical chance of life evolving naturally (without a grand creator) and a tornado making a jet?

 

It's approximated that in the Milkyway alone there are hundreds of billions of star systems (look it up). That's just one Galaxy............... How many tornados have gone through junk yards?

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

But then the answer falls short on many levels like how many things had to be perfect in order for us to have life here in any form. That is a very big issue . And once it did develop ,how our planetary cycles figured into the design to maximize life here.

 

I once heard it said that believeing that the Big Bang theory as the center for how life began on our planet is like believeing that a tornado can pass thru a junkyard and assemble a working Boeing 747 . That would require a shit load of faith , my friends .

 

The big bang didn't create life! It created the our known Universe. Life evolved as a separate mechanism entirely. I dare say the person that came out with that analogy hasn't a scientific qualification to his name so how the hell is he capable of of matching the statistical chance of life evolving naturally (without a grand creator) and a tornado making a jet?

 

It's approximated that in the Milkyway alone there are hundreds of billions of star systems (look it up). That's just one Galaxy............... How many tornados have gone through junk yards?

 

Of course the Big Bang didn't create life, but it has been called 'The God Event' ...it created our known universe which led to this which led to...so on and so on. . But eventually it all breaks down to that singular question of life.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

But then the answer falls short on many levels like how many things had to be perfect in order for us to have life here in any form. That is a very big issue . And once it did develop ,how our planetary cycles figured into the design to maximize life here.

 

I once heard it said that believeing that the Big Bang theory as the center for how life began on our planet is like believeing that a tornado can pass thru a junkyard and assemble a working Boeing 747 . That would require a shit load of faith , my friends .

 

That's just one Galaxy............... How many tornados have gone through junk yards?

 

 

Every time one touches down it wipes out a trailer park so based on the definition of junkyard we could say ....all of them . :boogy:

[Born Hunter 17,780]

But then the answer falls short on many levels like how many things had to be perfect in order for us to have life here in any form. That is a very big issue . And once it did develop ,how our planetary cycles figured into the design to maximize life here.

 

I once heard it said that believeing that the Big Bang theory as the center for how life began on our planet is like believeing that a tornado can pass thru a junkyard and assemble a working Boeing 747 . That would require a shit load of faith , my friends .

 

That's just one Galaxy............... How many tornados have gone through junk yards?

 

 

Every time one touches down it wipes out a trailer park so based on the definition of junkyard we could say ....all of them . :boogy:

 

My point was, we know of one planet with life in this Galaxy. Now suppose this planet is unique in that, and your analogy is statistically accurate then there would have to have been hundreds of billions of tornados through junkyards. Consider how many Galaxys there as well. So our number of tornados through junkyards would now have to be Billions of Billions to be statistically similar. Whoever came out with it was an idiot!

 

The 'God event'........the 'God Particle'........ Media hype that Physicists hate!

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

But then the answer falls short on many levels like how many things had to be perfect in order for us to have life here in any form. That is a very big issue . And once it did develop ,how our planetary cycles figured into the design to maximize life here.

 

I once heard it said that believeing that the Big Bang theory as the center for how life began on our planet is like believeing that a tornado can pass thru a junkyard and assemble a working Boeing 747 . That would require a shit load of faith , my friends .

 

That's just one Galaxy............... How many tornados have gone through junk yards?

 

 

Every time one touches down it wipes out a trailer park so based on the definition of junkyard we could say ....all of them . :boogy:

 

My point was, we know of one planet with life in this Galaxy. Now suppose this planet is unique in that, and your analogy is statistically accurate then there would have to have been hundreds of billions of tornados through junkyards. Consider how many Galaxys there as well. So our number of tornados through junkyards would now have to be Billions of Billions to be statistically similar. Whoever came out with it was an idiot!

 

The 'God event'........the 'God Particle'........ Media hype that Physicists hate!

 

That's assuming their is life on other planets... I'm not opposed to it seeing as how many Galaxies as their are. But then again, here you're saying that the Universe is this ginourmous place. And yet it's inconcievable that it holds a "God" ?

[Born Hunter 17,780]

I have never said it is inconceivable, I have said more than once that it is impossible for me to dissprove a God hypothesis. I'm yet to hear a definition of a God! It seems to keep changing to fit scientific advancements. It's not impossible just improbable and the reason most people have for the existance of a God is not understanding the answers to fundamental questions. I don't believe in a God, if others want to that's fine. I haven't told anybody with faith that they are deluded or foolish have I? I have only tried to answer some of the questions on this thread with science as opposed to "must be God".

 

Sorry if I have offended anyone.

[Aaron Proffitt 142]

Fine... and I'll concede that the example of the tornado assembled Boeing 747 is a little out there .

 

 

I've never seen one put together a Frisbee either.

 

 

[Hob&Jill 258]

What reason was there a big bang in the first place? Why was there even something to go bang? Why would it happen if there was nothing conscious to appreciate it?

 

That's a very philisophical statement, "if a branch falls in a wood but no one is there to hear it did it really make a sound?".

 

If you are really interested in those questions of existance, reality etc have a mooch about the philosophical study of Ontology.

 

They are philosophical questions, and ones that I don't think there ever will be a answer to.

 

Been a good thread this, I've enjoyed it

 

atb,

 

HJ

[poacher3161 1,766]

This is what I really don't understand a Christening can not be confused for anything other than a religious ceromany. At least with a wedding you can have a civil ceremony or non religious wedding even but you CAN'T have a non religious christening.

 

Sorry but to say you don't believe in god and to get your kids christend is a total contradiction.

The catholic schools in my daughters area insist that kids they take in are christend dosent matter if its c.of e or the catholic faith.

 

I'm sorry pal that's just Bull Sh*t, if you are not religious and don't believe in Christianity you should not have either your children or accept your grandchildren to be Christend.

If you and your children are not religious find a school that accepts non Christend children simple as.

 

Do you not see the hypocrisy of your views?? For example if the best school in in your area was an Islamic school would you convert your grandchildren to islam just to get them in there?????

 

You can't have religion when is suits you and criticise it when it dosent.

Because i dont give a feck about relgion i have no quarms about useing it to my benefit and no i wouldent convert to islam thats one of the reasons why my grandkids are going to a catholic school to keep them away from the high population of muslim kids that are in the other schools.

[mattyg 1,862]

tell people that theres a man who lives in the sky and can see everything and they believe you...........tell the same people that there is wet paint on a door and the have to touch it to make sure........

[paulus 26]

it all boils down to what people think god is, religion shows him as a father, and through his son someone to emulate,please,aspire to. where as others tend to see god as a force,a feeling. a perception something that has to be there but is unable to be seen, with the big bang theory the only thing i dont get is, if science believes this was random in our universe then why have they been looking for other life out there for years

 

and another thing why does science even use the word random random is deemed as something we are unable to predict, but surely just because we are at point in time where we are unable to predict something through lack of knowledge why is it deemed in science as random?? is it because if we use the word unpredictable we are admitting it can or probably has happened before. everything is predictable if you have the knowledge to predict it so in theory nothing is random, for something to be predictable it usually follows a patten and probably a mathamatical one at that, for something to follow a patten it also has to be cyclic, for it to be cyclic something has to be powering it anyone see where this is leading :laugh:

 

I'm sorry Paulus, that statement is flawed. Quantum Mechanics teaches us that some things are impossible to predict, the Hisenberge uncertainty principle is the main reason why with even all the knowledge in the universe you cannot predict the future. Radioactivity is the simplest example of a random happening, you can predict it statistically but not when the next decay will occur.

 

Not sure I understand your first point mate, the big bang created our Universe, all life within it then evolved as a separate action many billions of years later. Before life can form, stars have to die and star systems have to be in existance. I'm not sure how it being random would mean we shouldn't be looking for other life? Unless you mean we are looking for life from before the big bang?

 

if you go back 100 years then alot of things were deemed impossible to predict because we didnt have the knowledge to do it, take quadratic equations or fractional fictorials. Before they were discoverd (by 2 welsh sheep farmers believe it or not) it would have been thought impossible to determin noise(inherant variation) within a machine just by mathamatics alone, so whos to say anything isnt predictable given the tools and the know how.

as you say alot of things have to be in place for life to be created, well surely belief in a god would depend on if you could prove or disprove that these conditions were random or not and again given at this point in time theres isnt the knowledge available to prove or disprove it either way ill stick with an open mind

[scothunter 12,609]

I'll just stick to it being. Load of old pish lol

[Born Hunter 17,780]

if you go back 100 years then alot of things were deemed impossible to predict because we didnt have the knowledge to do it, take quadratic equations or fractional fictorials. Before they were discoverd (by 2 welsh sheep farmers believe it or not) it would have been thought impossible to determin noise(inherant variation) within a machine just by mathamatics alone, so whos to say anything isnt predictable given the tools and the know how.

as you say alot of things have to be in place for life to be created, well surely belief in a god would depend on if you could prove or disprove that these conditions were random or not and again given at this point in time theres isnt the knowledge available to prove or disprove it either way ill stick with an open mind

 

Everyone should keep an open mind, just don't loose objectivity.