paulus 26 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... gets a lot of people through bad times does faith although it also causes a lot of shite for other people. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tam O'Void 297 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Malt raises an interesting point, define God? For me the only definition is an Intelligent being in control of all the Universe/Universes unexplainable by science. You can't call all the forces of nature or a grand unified theory God, because it's not, it's science. That's a bit of cop out for me, as bad as the religious lot changing their beliefes to fit science. I was just throwing that into the conversation, it's not something I actually believing myself, I was just throwing a theory in to fit the facts but I can't see why you couldn't. The universe itself is most definitely the creator and definately omnipresent, what more could you want in an all powerful deity? Saying you can't call it god because it's 'science' is like saying you cant call a dog a dog because science describes it as canis lupus familiaris. What's in a name? It all comes back again to what you define 'god' as. Aye, I understand your point malt. I was simply saying that to change the definition of god to be the same as science is a huge cop out and a change of tune from 200 years ago. It was just my opinion like. It's just another reason you can't have an debate on the existance of God, if you can't define God precisely how the hell can you argue Gods existance? It's so un bloody scientific! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0hUldrYp4&feature=related Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hob&Jill 258 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,788 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... gets a lot of people through bad times does faith although it also causes a lot of shite for other people. Exactly, faith is essential to many peoples survival. A quote I always remember from a TV show I shan't mention the name of; "Whether or not God really exists is not as important as whether the belief in God exists!". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tam O'Void 297 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Just for MO.... www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYLcIFa1mSk Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,788 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. Nothing? And yes I do have faith in science but that's because it has proven itself time over. So it is completely likely that everything is explainable by science..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tam O'Void 297 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. Nothing? And yes I do have faith in science but that's because it has proven itself time over. So it is completely likely that everything is explainable by science..... So does that make you Like TOM CRUISE ....a Scienceoligist... Have you a Jumbo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. Nothing? And yes I do have faith in science but that's because it has proven itself time over. So it is completely likely that everything is explainable by science..... Sorry but that view is as deluded as organized religion. Darwin's theory of evolution is just that . . a theory, there are hundreds of missing links. You should remember that science is funded by vested interests. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,788 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. If I had a hidden dice and told you to have faith that it would roll a 10 would you? Yet if I showed you my dice and you saw that all 6 sides had 10 printed on then would you have faith that it would roll a 10? That's a simple analogy to the difference between faith in God and faith in science.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,788 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. Nothing? And yes I do have faith in science but that's because it has proven itself time over. So it is completely likely that everything is explainable by science..... Sorry but that view is as deluded as organized religion. Darwin's theory of evolution is just that . . a theory, there are hundreds of missing links. You should remember that science is funded by vested interests. All of science is a theory! Have you not read anything I have put? Newtonian Gravity is a f*****g theory! I guess you don't believe that because it is by definition a theory? I'm not getting into an argument about evolution, it's not anywhere near a subject I'm familiar enough with to argue on. All science is there for Academia to question and challenge so any bias IS absolutely irrelavent! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. If I had a hidden dice and told you to have faith that it would roll a 10 would you? Yet if I showed you my dice and you saw that all 6 sides had 10 printed on then would you have faith that it would roll a 10? That's a simple analogy to the difference between faith in God and faith in science.... the problem with science is it can only explain what it can understand/see/feel/touch/smell doesnt mean this could be turned on its head at any point with advances in science Quote Link to post Share on other sites
foxfan 479 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 Who's arguing ? ithought we wre having a debate ? Surely in a topic about god, evolution would be the relevant science ? Theory of evolution accepted as gospel, but totaly unprovable. Vested interest pushing an agenda ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,721 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. If I had a hidden dice and told you to have faith that it would roll a 10 would you? Yet if I showed you my dice and you saw that all 6 sides had 10 printed on then would you have faith that it would roll a 10? That's a simple analogy to the difference between faith in God and faith in science.... the problem with science is it can only explain what it can understand/see/feel/touch/smell doesnt mean this could be turned on its head at any point with advances in science lol yes we have moved on abit now ... the earth is round mind ive travelled round it a few times ..when the plane lands i never did understand why when it takes off again it allways seems to go in the direction its come from !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. If I had a hidden dice and told you to have faith that it would roll a 10 would you? Yet if I showed you my dice and you saw that all 6 sides had 10 printed on then would you have faith that it would roll a 10? That's a simple analogy to the difference between faith in God and faith in science.... the problem with science is it can only explain what it can understand/see/feel/touch/smell doesnt mean this could be turned on its head at any point with advances in science lol yes we have moved on abit now ... the earth is round mind ive travelled round it a few times ..when the plane lands i never did understand why when it takes off again it allways seems to go in the direction its come from !! to me to you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,788 Posted September 22, 2012 Report Share Posted September 22, 2012 The point I'm trying to make here is that you cannot have an objective & logical debate on the existance of God, it's impossible to do scientifically. You either have faith or you don't. Faith isn't a function of logic, it's just faith...... You have to have a lot of 'faith' in science to believe that everything originated from absolutely nothing and for no reason. If I had a hidden dice and told you to have faith that it would roll a 10 would you? Yet if I showed you my dice and you saw that all 6 sides had 10 printed on then would you have faith that it would roll a 10? That's a simple analogy to the difference between faith in God and faith in science.... the problem with science is it can only explain what it can understand/see/feel/touch/smell doesnt mean this could be turned on its head at any point with advances in science Do you mean, that current scientific theories are over written with new scientific theories as our understanding improves? They can adjusted, for instance how Quantum Mechanics and General Relativity was developed to sit alongside Classical theories, but it didn't dissprove them. We are at a stage now where science is very theoretical, we can't just grab a nuetrino and measure it etc, we can't stick a black hole under a microscope and have a good look. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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