SportingShooter 0 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 As to whether you'll get it back does depend entirely on what it was your were arrested for. I don't quite understand how they revoked your certificates when you haven't been convicted of an offence and they were taken as a precaution. If you were told there would be no further action, then you should have had them back. Ultimately, if you have no other previous you aren't legally exempt from owning firearms its just a case of getting your tickets back. Quote Link to post
events co-ordinator 353 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Join a shooting organization Before you reapply I'm in SACS pity you didnt come and see us at the Midland could posssibly gave you some advice there. Quote Link to post
budharley 945 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Hi mate as has been said talk to youe feo he will be able to give you a good idea . if you was not charged you should get it back but it might depend on wether you wasnt charged through lack of evidence etc. i had to hand my liscence in 5 year ago i had a meeting with feo he told me if i hand it in i will more than likely get it back in time which i did but if he revokes it ive got next to no chance but i suppose there all different Quote Link to post
bignoel 14 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 a lad down my way had his revoked twice ,first time was 10 year ago where he was sent to jail for 18mth he got it back after 10 year and then repeated his crime and had it revoked for 18 mth and now has them back again ,surrey police force . so try for them and goodluck Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 As to whether you'll get it back does depend entirely on what it was your were arrested for. I don't quite understand how they revoked your certificates when you haven't been convicted of an offence and they were taken as a precaution. If you were told there would be no further action, then you should have had them back. Ultimately, if you have no other previous you aren't legally exempt from owning firearms its just a case of getting your tickets back. Not so easy. my brother had his taken from him 6 yrs ago when his wife fecked off. she told the police he slapped her 6 yrs previously so they nicked him. he wasnt charged nor cautioned for nothing and has never been arrested for anything nor did he lay a finger on her. he was already a member of BASC which are a total bag of shyte and dont stick to their word. fortunately, i was able to retrieve his shotguns so theyre safe but its not the point. his fao is a bag of shyte too(didnt like me calling him a fat useless coont ). my brother is now spending a fortune on solicitors to get his ticket back which all costs will be recovered when he does. i think the police know they have made a balls up too. what were you arrested for pal? best of luck getting them back and i take it they still have your firearms? Quote Link to post
Nik_B 3,790 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 a lad down my way had his revoked twice ,first time was 10 year ago where he was sent to jail for 18mth he got it back after 10 year and then repeated his crime and had it revoked for 18 mth and now has them back again ,surrey police force . so try for them and goodluck With stories like that it's a wonder anyone worries about getting a SGC Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 As to whether you'll get it back does depend entirely on what it was your were arrested for. I don't quite understand how they revoked your certificates when you haven't been convicted of an offence and they were taken as a precaution. If you were told there would be no further action, then you should have had them back. Ultimately, if you have no other previous you aren't legally exempt from owning firearms its just a case of getting your tickets back. Not so easy. my brother had his taken from him 6 yrs ago when his wife fecked off. she told the police he slapped her 6 yrs previously so they nicked him. he wasnt charged nor cautioned for nothing and has never been arrested for anything nor did he lay a finger on her. he was already a member of BASC which are a total bag of shyte and dont stick to their word. fortunately, i was able to retrieve his shotguns so theyre safe but its not the point. his fao is a bag of shyte too(didnt like me calling him a fat useless coont ). my brother is now spending a fortune on solicitors to get his ticket back which all costs will be recovered when he does. i think the police know they have made a balls up too. what were you arrested for pal? best of luck getting them back and i take it they still have your firearms? But then like you say Earth, they appear to know they've ballsed up, its not how it "should be". If you were arrested for the assault you mentioned and there turned out to be no evidence of an assault taken place, then you've done nothing wrong, hence no grounds for revoking your certificates. I could understand them being taken away in the mean time whilst it was being investigated but unless there was some other evidence of bad behaviour by the certificate holder, afterall, particularly in the case of shotgun certificates, the police have to issue you one unless they can prove you are a danger to yourself or the public. If they are going down those lines, it would be interesting to read their justification if you don't have a conviction. I know some licensing departments seem to do what they want but I think most of the time, they just live in hope whoever it is won't appeal their decision. Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 As to whether you'll get it back does depend entirely on what it was your were arrested for. I don't quite understand how they revoked your certificates when you haven't been convicted of an offence and they were taken as a precaution. If you were told there would be no further action, then you should have had them back. Ultimately, if you have no other previous you aren't legally exempt from owning firearms its just a case of getting your tickets back. Not so easy. my brother had his taken from him 6 yrs ago when his wife fecked off. she told the police he slapped her 6 yrs previously so they nicked him. he wasnt charged nor cautioned for nothing and has never been arrested for anything nor did he lay a finger on her. he was already a member of BASC which are a total bag of shyte and dont stick to their word. fortunately, i was able to retrieve his shotguns so theyre safe but its not the point. his fao is a bag of shyte too(didnt like me calling him a fat useless coont ). my brother is now spending a fortune on solicitors to get his ticket back which all costs will be recovered when he does. i think the police know they have made a balls up too. what were you arrested for pal? best of luck getting them back and i take it they still have your firearms? But then like you say Earth, they appear to know they've ballsed up, its not how it "should be". If you were arrested for the assault you mentioned and there turned out to be no evidence of an assault taken place, then you've done nothing wrong, hence no grounds for revoking your certificates. I could understand them being taken away in the mean time whilst it was being investigated but unless there was some other evidence of bad behaviour by the certificate holder, afterall, particularly in the case of shotgun certificates, the police have to issue you one unless they can prove you are a danger to yourself or the public. If they are going down those lines, it would be interesting to read their justification if you don't have a conviction. I know some licensing departments seem to do what they want but I think most of the time, they just live in hope whoever it is won't appeal their decision. cant agree no more with you. BUT, my brother is having the FAO up in court as hes the difficult twat.. Laws are laws, they cant change as they wish, instead they have tried bullying my brother which im affraid doesnt work.. Good old THAMES VALLEY Quote Link to post
TOM TERRIER 173 Posted September 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Thanks for all the replies. I had a bit of a row with a lad who had, lets say stabbed me in the back. I hadnt done anything, but I was arrested for: Assault False imprisonment Black mail The charges got droped 7 months and almost £2000 in solicitors fees, as the lad decided not to take it any further. it was a total shambelss and nightmare from the word go. So sounds like they were in the wrong not giving them back once I had cleared my name? Cheers, Quote Link to post
events co-ordinator 353 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 The reason they tell you to surender your sgc is that they don't have enough EVIDENCE for a revocation and would lose it on appeal. but if you hand it back you have done that yourself so theres no appeal procedure. DO NOT ask the police for an opinion because it is just that. Phone SACS /BASC/ CA/ or your Granny you will get more accurate info (yes even from your granny). Quote Link to post
"Earth!" 503 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 The reason they tell you to surender your sgc is that they don't have enough EVIDENCE for a revocation and would lose it on appeal. but if you hand it back you have done that yourself so theres no appeal procedure. DO NOT ask the police for an opinion because it is just that. Phone SACS /BASC/ CA/ or your Granny you will get more accurate info (yes even from your granny). bollox to BASC. The NGO are the ones to join. Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 must be just me that has little or no problems with my flo although have got into several arguments with over zelous office staff Quote Link to post
SportingShooter 0 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 Thanks for all the replies. I had a bit of a row with a lad who had, lets say stabbed me in the back. I hadnt done anything, but I was arrested for: Assault False imprisonment Black mail The charges got droped 7 months and almost £2000 in solicitors fees, as the lad decided not to take it any further. it was a total shambelss and nightmare from the word go. So sounds like they were in the wrong not giving them back once I had cleared my name? Cheers, If they were revoked without a conviction then they have been premature IMO. Saying that, I'm assuming you haven't got anything else on your record for them to hold against you? Which police force was it out of curiosity? Quote Link to post
seprim 32 Posted September 20, 2012 Report Share Posted September 20, 2012 bollox to BASC. The NGO are the ones to join. Agree Quote Link to post
TOM TERRIER 173 Posted September 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2012 Thanks for all the replies. I had a bit of a row with a lad who had, lets say stabbed me in the back. I hadnt done anything, but I was arrested for: Assault False imprisonment Black mail The charges got droped 7 months and almost £2000 in solicitors fees, as the lad decided not to take it any further. it was a total shambelss and nightmare from the word go. So sounds like they were in the wrong not giving them back once I had cleared my name? Cheers, If they were revoked without a conviction then they have been premature IMO. Saying that, I'm assuming you haven't got anything else on your record for them to hold against you? Which police force was it out of curiosity? No otherwise a clean record. Its Dyfed Powys police Quote Link to post
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