Dog won't come back when lamping

[Mixed Bag 603]

that would be good advice if you were talking about a gundog but its a 3 yr old lurcher the guys had it and worked it for a year a lot of dogs arent interested in dummys once they get on the real thing none of my lurchers would bother with a dummy they arent stupid once they have had real game in their mouths they know the difference. work it hard on real quarry thats the only way dummies are fine for training pups that dont know no better

[paulus 26]

i kno they should do both. but yoy start them lamping first. get it coming bk when lamp goes off. then when it knos the score with lamping. then give it day work then they can hunt up all they want. but then atleast the dog knos the score with lamping first. all down to experience

mine are out datytime as soon as their jabbed up, dont see the point in leaving them in the kennel, wont learn squat sat in there. if they start to look tired i just pick it up and put it under my arm untill its recoverd, same if i want to keep it out of a situation going on with the others, but i will always put it back in at the end so it can see and feel the whole thing. i know alot of people will dissagree with this but it works for me. i believe the more a pup can see at a young age the more rounded an individual it will be, obviously you have to use your head. plus if the pup follows your older dogs doing what you tell them to do then they pritty much train themselves.

[Adam_Chuck 256]

get rid of it! , get a pup and start again , if you make a mistake with it learn from it, when you get older dogs you are buying somtimes other peoples (mistakes) make your own not other peoples.

Great advice just keep passing on a dog from home to home. Instead of putting some time and effort into the dog just get rid. Top dog man !!

 

how many times do you read on here having probs with my dogs recall most at night.? what i said there are the things you can get with buying a mature dog in, that the othere owners as f****d with. So do as you say go through and (try) to correct the dog which might not ever come good , or try and start with your own pup , and learn from your own animal. Its not rocket science is it, why do people want to (do) the hard way all the while :yes: and regards passing dogs on , if they trained them right 1st, might not get this prob to start with.?

Didnt mention your dogs. Well for you that your dogs have good recall hope your happy with them. IMO I would be very reluctant to take on an older dog and would much prefer a pup. But some people are clowns and couldnt train a dog to save their lives and pass it on which could turn out to be a good dog in the right hands. IMO a dog is what you make it and the right dog man can bring out the best in a particular dog. Would always give a dog a chance and not pass it on for a stupid reason like that!

[bird 9,869]

get rid of it! , get a pup and start again , if you make a mistake with it learn from it, when you get older dogs you are buying somtimes other peoples (mistakes) make your own not other peoples.

Great advice just keep passing on a dog from home to home. Instead of putting some time and effort into the dog just get rid. Top dog man !!

 

how many times do you read on here having probs with my dogs recall most at night.? what i said there are the things you can get with buying a mature dog in, that the othere owners as f****d with. So do as you say go through and (try) to correct the dog which might not ever come good , or try and start with your own pup , and learn from your own animal. Its not rocket science is it, why do people want to (do) the hard way all the while :yes: and regards passing dogs on , if they trained them right 1st, might not get this prob to start with.?

Didnt mention your dogs. Well for you that your dogs have good recall hope your happy with them. IMO I would be very reluctant to take on an older dog and would much prefer a pup. But some people are clowns and couldnt train a dog to save their lives and pass it on which could turn out to be a good dog in the right hands. IMO a dog is what you make it and the right dog man can bring out the best in a particular dog. Would always give a dog a chance and not pass it on for a stupid reason like that!

 

fair enough yeh put the time in you get the result's

 

[paulus 26]

get rid of it! , get a pup and start again , if you make a mistake with it learn from it, when you get older dogs you are buying somtimes other peoples (mistakes) make your own not other peoples.

Great advice just keep passing on a dog from home to home. Instead of putting some time and effort into the dog just get rid. Top dog man !!

 

how many times do you read on here having probs with my dogs recall most at night.? what i said there are the things you can get with buying a mature dog in, that the othere owners as f****d with. So do as you say go through and (try) to correct the dog which might not ever come good , or try and start with your own pup , and learn from your own animal. Its not rocket science is it, why do people want to (do) the hard way all the while :yes: and regards passing dogs on , if they trained them right 1st, might not get this prob to start with.?

Didnt mention your dogs. Well for you that your dogs have good recall hope your happy with them. IMO I would be very reluctant to take on an older dog and would much prefer a pup. But some people are clowns and couldnt train a dog to save their lives and pass it on which could turn out to be a good dog in the right hands. IMO a dog is what you make it and the right dog man can bring out the best in a particular dog. Would always give a dog a chance and not pass it on for a stupid reason like that!

 

fair enough yeh put the time in you get the result's

 

that rabbits infected with the "T" virus it has red eyes :laugh:

[bird 9,869]

get rid of it! , get a pup and start again , if you make a mistake with it learn from it, when you get older dogs you are buying somtimes other peoples (mistakes) make your own not other peoples.

Great advice just keep passing on a dog from home to home. Instead of putting some time and effort into the dog just get rid. Top dog man !!

 

how many times do you read on here having probs with my dogs recall most at night.? what i said there are the things you can get with buying a mature dog in, that the othere owners as f****d with. So do as you say go through and (try) to correct the dog which might not ever come good , or try and start with your own pup , and learn from your own animal. Its not rocket science is it, why do people want to (do) the hard way all the while :yes: and regards passing dogs on , if they trained them right 1st, might not get this prob to start with.?

Didnt mention your dogs. Well for you that your dogs have good recall hope your happy with them. IMO I would be very reluctant to take on an older dog and would much prefer a pup. But some people are clowns and couldnt train a dog to save their lives and pass it on which could turn out to be a good dog in the right hands. IMO a dog is what you make it and the right dog man can bring out the best in a particular dog. Would always give a dog a chance and not pass it on for a stupid reason like that!

 

fair enough yeh put the time in you get the result's

 

that rabbits infected with the "T" virus it has red eyes :laugh:

 

thats lager it was pissed

[paulus 26]

get rid of it! , get a pup and start again , if you make a mistake with it learn from it, when you get older dogs you are buying somtimes other peoples (mistakes) make your own not other peoples.

Great advice just keep passing on a dog from home to home. Instead of putting some time and effort into the dog just get rid. Top dog man !!

 

how many times do you read on here having probs with my dogs recall most at night.? what i said there are the things you can get with buying a mature dog in, that the othere owners as f****d with. So do as you say go through and (try) to correct the dog which might not ever come good , or try and start with your own pup , and learn from your own animal. Its not rocket science is it, why do people want to (do) the hard way all the while :yes: and regards passing dogs on , if they trained them right 1st, might not get this prob to start with.?

Didnt mention your dogs. Well for you that your dogs have good recall hope your happy with them. IMO I would be very reluctant to take on an older dog and would much prefer a pup. But some people are clowns and couldnt train a dog to save their lives and pass it on which could turn out to be a good dog in the right hands. IMO a dog is what you make it and the right dog man can bring out the best in a particular dog. Would always give a dog a chance and not pass it on for a stupid reason like that!

 

fair enough yeh put the time in you get the result's

 

that rabbits infected with the "T" virus it has red eyes :laugh:

 

thats lager it was pissed

thats how to achieve big bags then, contaminate the water supply with alcohol :laugh:

[alex.s 19]

mate ive got the same sorta dog and he will come back day time but same as you not a chance once ive sliped him ive tryed all sorts on him ive walked away with lamp on also lamp off not working for me ive tryed nicely calling him back not worked ive tryed shouting not worked ive tryed treats witch he then ignores but in the last month of so he has slowly got better but i have been out with him every night even if its half hour and got him on as many rabbits as i can so its not such a buzz when he gets one. i got him when he was 18 months old he is now just over 2 and since ive had him ive tryed failed and sucseded ( not the best of spellers) but all i can say is keep trying mate

[topmark 2]

i kno they should do both. but yoy start them lamping first. get it coming bk when lamp goes off. then when it knos the score with lamping. then give it day work then they can hunt up all they want. but then atleast the dog knos the score with lamping first. all down to experience

mine are out datytime as soon as their jabbed up, dont see the point in leaving them in the kennel, wont learn squat sat in there. if they start to look tired i just pick it up and put it under my arm untill its recoverd, same if i want to keep it out of a situation going on with the others, but i will always put it back in at the end so it can see and feel the whole thing. i know alot of people will dissagree with this but it works for me. i believe the more a pup can see at a young age the more rounded an individual it will be, obviously you have to use your head. plus if the pup follows your older dogs doing what you tell them to do then they pritty much train themselves.

 

who said enything about leaving them in a kennel??? the dog has just been brought on the wrong way, things like this should be taught to a dog from a young age, he may be able to bring the dog on tidy with the time and effort, atb

[Guest bezza]

I use Skycat's method but I also train my dogs to come back to the whistle. I give them positive reinforcement when they return on command and negative reinforcement if they refuse.That is I get after them and growl and shake their scruff. I do this in the daytime and at night in small fields where I have more control. Of course you disturb quarry at night when you are training by the sound of the whistle but that should be only for a few weeks. It soon becomes ingrained that when the light goes off, the whistle is blown and this means return at once.

It may work with an older dog but a lot will depend on temperament and perhaps breeding.

I think the return command is the most important and i train with that in mind. I never let them away with doing their own thing and hunting up. Once you let them away with it once you are on a downward spiral.

Once the behaviour is ingrained and the dog knows what is expected you should not need the whistle at all.

Edited September 20, 2012 by bezza

[Dranny GLC 112]

Cheers some really good Idears. I like the dog and would love to get him to do his job properly. I walk him off the lead during the day around our local fields and he just stays by my side it just once I shine the lamp and slip him if it gets away he runs around the field and comes to about 20 ft away from me and I av to jump over walls or under fences to get him back on lead.

[Dranny GLC 112]

This is reggi that never returns.!

[iceman001979 1,316]

Try bring him out with another dog that will come back when the light is off and run them double up.l know running doubled up is bad idea but could help your dog.Old dog can be taught new tricks and he is only 3,the more your out the more he learn if he does now come back when light is off then straight home best luck with him

[AirgunGuy 362]

I've just started lamping with my wee Whippet and i have to say...he is taking to it very well. He's only been out a few times and comes in and lies at my feet when the rabbit's gone. All i do is have my scanning red torch turned on and pointing down at my feet so he can see me...give him a subtle whistle and he comes in. The other night however i was out with a mate who's got experienced working dogs. While his dog was on a rabbit my dog pulled and hauled and was yelping. I leaned over to close his mouth and he got off his slip and f....d up the chase. Anyway...after the rabbit had gone my dog wouldn't come in at all and went off hunting. We put it down to my dog having competition there. Felt a right twat :-/

 

Anyway...you could try having a smaller torch with you. If he doesn't come back, have your torch on, pointing at the ground so he can see you and sharply walk from him while whistling on him. As soon as he comes in, praise him and give him a treat. He'll pick it up in no time. Worst possible thing you can do is punish him as basically you're punishing him for coming in. It's well worth scaring some rabbits for a while until he gets it.

[Mixed Bag 603]

i have been out with him every night even if its half hour and got him on as many rabbits as i can so its not such a buzz when he gets one.

spot on mate the more work you give the dog the better it should get it will get more of a bond with you