Presa Canario x Saluki Bull Grey for stud??

[Ausnick 190]

think one would catch a rabbit with ease seen a few and there big powerfull dogs atb

catch a rabbit with ease? Are you having a laugh mate? Ask j1985.

 

mate you obviously don't get out hunting much so why act like you know what dogs can and can't do??? you're saying his dogs must be impressive because it's size and it can catch rabbits I know of dogs 50-60kg catching rabbits and that's nothing special. your comments irritate me as you are obviously very inexperienced.

Youre comment irritates me! /ive stated many a time that im new to hunting but people like you think youre something special for trying to cause a row with me? Congratualtions to you if youre Mr super hunter with the best coursing dogs on the planet but I dont need to get out hunting much to know that an American Bulldog will not catch a healthy rabbit in an open field. Do you disagree with this or am i just annoying you by disagreeing with someone who been hunting longer than me? The only person that seems to agree with me is j1985 and he has 2 AB's. So if an AB can catch healthy rabbits in the open with ease, and a staff can course hares, why did i get ripped for wanting to lamp my dog? He's undoubtedly faster and more agile than both of those breeds and i dont need to be experienced to know that.

 

I didnt say his dog was impressive simply cos it was big. This guys dog isnt even half sighthound and the other half i happen to know a bit about as i nearly got one myself after doing some research and now my mate has 2 from working lines. They can reach a respectable top speed for such a heavily built dog but are slow in comparison to what would usually be used in the lining of a lurcher. An APBT is a fair bit quicker and much more agile. This is why i said his dog could become something special IF its already catching healthy bunnies in the open.

 

So tell me about these 60kg dogs catching bunnies then and be honest, dont try telling me theyre English bulldogs x st bernard or newfoundland x grate dane? My bet is theyre at least half sigthound and the size has come from either a large sighthound or a quicker big dog than a presa? or proabably both.

 

Ive noticed how clicky this forum can be, theres probably a lot of experienced people reading this that completely agree with what im saying but would rather keep out of it that admit a newbie was right??

 

Okay for one I know of a fella who uses bulldogs on all fast game and they are surprisingly quick and athletic, another thing is i don't have coursing dogs... I never ripped you up about your dog but I read the topic and thought it would have a chance at smaller stuff. I know of many dogs that aren't even half sighthound that are used for all game over here. I didn't see that thing of the staffys but I've read about people hunting with them. I never said I had super dogs??? I test them and keep the best I can get my hands on and I'm happy with the ones I have, they all do their jobs how I want them to do it. and buddy staghounds over here can be 50kg, I know of one that does very well on bunnies that's 55-60kg, I'm not even from your country so obviously the land is different. My 5 month old short legged JRT has caught rabbits in open fields in the spotlight, I don't know how it happens the rabbits just don't go as fast as they can and they turn heaps, yet when I put one of my running dogs in them they run flat out. My dogs weigh 30kg, 35kg, and ones a bit over 40kg, she can catch rabbits but I don't think she's that great on them, more suited to foxes, cats and other big stuff... over here a dog is expected to be catching bunnies by 9 months old and we use very large dogs over here, a lot heavily influenced by irish wolfhound. I've been out with a pure wolfhound and it caught the only 3 rabbits we saw.

I'm done now bud.

[crorider 174]

Ausnick

 

I understand big dogs can be athletic and quick, Some sighthounds are huge and are capable of catching literally anything. Your JRT caught those rabbits by getting lucky, according to you and personally i think thats the only way an american bulldog would catch one aswell. Ive seen them run, theyre quick for their build yes but a healthy rabbit would always have a massive advantage, hence why i said it would need to get lucky. They may use them for large game but whatever theyre running and catching must be slower than rabbits. If i started a thread asking peoples advice on lamping with an american bulldog id be laughed off the site and not without valid reason. The thing im pointing out, is why do you think i shouldnt be allowed to voice my opinion? simply because im a newbie? If i wasnt at all qualified to comment i wouldnt but it matters not how long ive been in the game. Its just obvious. Ffs someones already pointed out that this guys AB's are particularly good dogs and the owner of them said theyd be left for dust in the open.

[j1985 1,983]

Lamping you'd have a higher success rate but let's be honest they're bred for boar and are most definily not rabbit dogs lol but can be handy for other stuff.

[Gitano 17]

Flat out in the open daytime 9 times out of 10 the rabbit will make it to cover, but if it keeps turning the bull will sometimes get it as he'll almost cut it off instead of following.

 

Like to add he's 73lbs an just under 24"tts and can f*****g shift and is usually in top condition....

 

Very nice condition, mate. After a brutal summer here (40+ degrees) where it was impossible to exercise my lot properly I can start getting mine in similar nick

[Ausnick 190]

Ausnick

 

I understand big dogs can be athletic and quick, Some sighthounds are huge and are capable of catching literally anything. Your JRT caught those rabbits by getting lucky, according to you and personally i think thats the only way an american bulldog would catch one aswell. Ive seen them run, theyre quick for their build yes but a healthy rabbit would always have a massive advantage, hence why i said it would need to get lucky. They may use them for large game but whatever theyre running and catching must be slower than rabbits. If i started a thread asking peoples advice on lamping with an american bulldog id be laughed off the site and not without valid reason. The thing im pointing out, is why do you think i shouldnt be allowed to voice my opinion? simply because im a newbie? If i wasnt at all qualified to comment i wouldnt but it matters not how long ive been in the game. Its just obvious. Ffs someones already pointed out that this guys AB's are particularly good dogs and the owner of them said theyd be left for dust in the open.

 

mate you realise rabbits are the slowest quarry to run? (well over here anyway) they're just agile, you do know that yeah?? the land over here is big and vast, giving the bigger dogs more time to wind up. the person that started this topic said his dog "has started to take rabbits without any training or encouragement and is very game" and you're saying he's onto something because it's half presa, I'm sorry but I don't see anything special about it. and how do you know my dog got lucky? the holes are few and far between, when my jrt got onto the rabbits they all ran away from their holes and kept going and had no other options just to keep running and rabbits aren't made to run for very long... your inexperience is showing.

[Millet 4,497]

What are you charging for stud fees as i have a 8mth old beddy whippet here who has just started to break down..and that kind of cross sound's ideal for me on the bunnies..

[nothernlite 18,077]

think one would catch a rabbit with ease seen a few and there big powerfull dogs atb

catch a rabbit with ease? Are you having a laugh mate? Ask j1985.

maybe i shouldnt of wrote with ease my mistake but crorider you can a cheeky we pr--k at times anyway good hunting

[JAE B 545]

I own an 18 month old Dog and I am cosidering putting him up for stud duties.

 

I would appreciate some advice on whether this would be an interesting proposition for anyone on this site. His Dam was full Presa Canario( Black Brindle) from J7 working lines. The Dog was a working Saluki Bull Greyhound (Blue) from high quality Welsh stock.

 

He is 27" TTS and weighs 40 kg's lean. All black with white chest flash. Very strong and quick, jumps 5 bar gates for fun. He has a really excellent nose. He has quite a lot of Presa features but he has thrown more to the Bull Grey in my opinion.

 

He was bought as pet but has started to take rabbits without any training or encouragement and is very game. Very sociable and friendly with all dogs and people. Easy dog to live with. Excellent guard as you would expect.

 

I think he would add size and power to many working lines. Was not going to stud him but feel it would be a waste of some great DNA. I was thinking he would make really impressive pups if put over a Bull Grey or Greyhound bitch??

 

Anyway, I'm interested in peoples opinions good or bad.

 

Cheers

you sound dodgy fella imo but good luck with stud

[crorider 174]

Ausnick

 

I understand big dogs can be athletic and quick, Some sighthounds are huge and are capable of catching literally anything. Your JRT caught those rabbits by getting lucky, according to you and personally i think thats the only way an american bulldog would catch one aswell. Ive seen them run, theyre quick for their build yes but a healthy rabbit would always have a massive advantage, hence why i said it would need to get lucky. They may use them for large game but whatever theyre running and catching must be slower than rabbits. If i started a thread asking peoples advice on lamping with an american bulldog id be laughed off the site and not without valid reason. The thing im pointing out, is why do you think i shouldnt be allowed to voice my opinion? simply because im a newbie? If i wasnt at all qualified to comment i wouldnt but it matters not how long ive been in the game. Its just obvious. Ffs someones already pointed out that this guys AB's are particularly good dogs and the owner of them said theyd be left for dust in the open.

 

mate you realise rabbits are the slowest quarry to run? (well over here anyway) they're just agile, you do know that yeah?? the land over here is big and vast, giving the bigger dogs more time to wind up. the person that started this topic said his dog "has started to take rabbits without any training or encouragement and is very game" and you're saying he's onto something because it's half presa, I'm sorry but I don't see anything special about it. and how do you know my dog got lucky? the holes are few and far between, when my jrt got onto the rabbits they all ran away from their holes and kept going and had no other options just to keep running and rabbits aren't made to run for very long... your inexperience is showing.

Rabbits are NOT the slowest quarry where im from. They are quicker than an american bulldog! Simple, what is your problem with that? have you read this thread or just my replies? I cant keep repeating myself its getting silly now, youre ignoring the one person on here whos got the f****n dogs!

And i didnt say hes onto something cos its half presa did i! Theres a lot of reasons why i said he COULD be onto something, as you stated, rabbits are incredibly agile, so if hes taking them without any encouragement at his weight theres one reason. presa canarios can be completely fearless with a ridiculously high pain threshold not dis similar to that of a pitbull, so theres another reason. There arent many dogs out there that can better the power of a presa, another reason. I was simply stating that this guys dog might not be as pointless as a lot of have suggested. Granted it should have to prove itself in the field before anyone in their right mind would pay to have it line their bitch, but that goes without saying. So anyway, what do you have against the Presa if you hold american bulldogs in such high regard? Youre not making sense mate, you can refer to my inexperience as many times as you like but it doesnt change any of the facts that we're talking about here.

And as for your jrt, you said they seemed to run slower from him than they would a sighthound and turned too many times. Thats pure luck. You cant seriously tell me that he regularly catches good numbers mate, he just gets lucky once in a while

[crorider 174]

think one would catch a rabbit with ease seen a few and there big powerfull dogs atb

catch a rabbit with ease? Are you having a laugh mate? Ask j1985.

maybe i shouldnt of wrote with ease my mistake but crorider you can a cheeky we pr--k at times anyway good hunting

And you can be a stupid wee c_nt at times anyway good hunting

[Cunners 3]

Thanks to those who have contributed so far. I appreciate the time. As I said in my original post, I'm not from the hunting community and so find your responses very interesting.

 

I totally get the point about about working him extensively and seeing if he will prove himself. That makes perfect sense.

 

However, I dont think he ever will take more than the odd rabbit, duck, pheasant (as already done) because its obvious to me that he his just too heavy for that to be realistic. When out he hunts constantly and is really quick over the long run and has gotten very close to Roe Deer on a couple of occasions, but he doesnt have the turning speed of the lighter dogs.

 

However, I wanted to know whether you thought he could be a useful component when put over a really good bitch. Could his weight be diluted whilst retaining some of that power and attitude?? Maybe bring something different to the mix??

 

I wouldnt be taking any money for his services and certainly dont need to stud him. £50 quid here and there means nowt to me. I would be more interested in taking a pup whilst helping people improve their lines.

 

If you guys agree this is a bad idea then I'll take your advice and not offer him up.

 

Cheers

 

Cunners

[South hams hunter 8,921]

Rabbits are the slowest quarry and pure collies will catch them on the lamp

[patterdale666 1,620]

What are you charging for stud fees as i have a 8mth old beddy whippet here who has just started to break down..and that kind of cross sound's ideal for me on the bunnies..

put me down for a pup millet id say that cross will give the new postman a run for his money we see how fast he is soon

[nothernlite 18,077]

think one would catch a rabbit with ease seen a few and there big powerfull dogs atb

catch a rabbit with ease? Are you having a laugh mate? Ask j1985.

maybe i shouldnt of wrote with ease my mistake but crorider you can a cheeky we pr--k at times anyway good hunting

And you can be a stupid wee c_nt at times anyway good hunting

ouch crorider we can all be stupid at times lol for someone who has not got a lot of experiance you have alot of knowledge with your replies you either have alot of books or your fond of google lol atb Edited September 13, 2012 by nothernlite

[Ausnick 190]

Ausnick

 

I understand big dogs can be athletic and quick, Some sighthounds are huge and are capable of catching literally anything. Your JRT caught those rabbits by getting lucky, according to you and personally i think thats the only way an american bulldog would catch one aswell. Ive seen them run, theyre quick for their build yes but a healthy rabbit would always have a massive advantage, hence why i said it would need to get lucky. They may use them for large game but whatever theyre running and catching must be slower than rabbits. If i started a thread asking peoples advice on lamping with an american bulldog id be laughed off the site and not without valid reason. The thing im pointing out, is why do you think i shouldnt be allowed to voice my opinion? simply because im a newbie? If i wasnt at all qualified to comment i wouldnt but it matters not how long ive been in the game. Its just obvious. Ffs someones already pointed out that this guys AB's are particularly good dogs and the owner of them said theyd be left for dust in the open.

 

mate you realise rabbits are the slowest quarry to run? (well over here anyway) they're just agile, you do know that yeah?? the land over here is big and vast, giving the bigger dogs more time to wind up. the person that started this topic said his dog "has started to take rabbits without any training or encouragement and is very game" and you're saying he's onto something because it's half presa, I'm sorry but I don't see anything special about it. and how do you know my dog got lucky? the holes are few and far between, when my jrt got onto the rabbits they all ran away from their holes and kept going and had no other options just to keep running and rabbits aren't made to run for very long... your inexperience is showing.

Rabbits are NOT the slowest quarry where im from. They are quicker than an american bulldog! Simple, what is your problem with that? have you read this thread or just my replies? I cant keep repeating myself its getting silly now, youre ignoring the one person on here whos got the f****n dogs!

And i didnt say hes onto something cos its half presa did i! Theres a lot of reasons why i said he COULD be onto something, as you stated, rabbits are incredibly agile, so if hes taking them without any encouragement at his weight theres one reason. presa canarios can be completely fearless with a ridiculously high pain threshold not dis similar to that of a pitbull, so theres another reason. There arent many dogs out there that can better the power of a presa, another reason. I was simply stating that this guys dog might not be as pointless as a lot of have suggested. Granted it should have to prove itself in the field before anyone in their right mind would pay to have it line their bitch, but that goes without saying. So anyway, what do you have against the Presa if you hold american bulldogs in such high regard? Youre not making sense mate, you can refer to my inexperience as many times as you like but it doesnt change any of the facts that we're talking about here.

And as for your jrt, you said they seemed to run slower from him than they would a sighthound and turned too many times. Thats pure luck. You cant seriously tell me that he regularly catches good numbers mate, he just gets lucky once in a while

 

You obviously don't understand what I'm trying to say. You said he's onto something special because the dogs half presa and it can catch the odd rabbit, so can american bulldogs. All I'm saying is that it's nothing special at all for any dog to catch the odd rabbit mate! and how's it pure luck if it happens every time? and I don't go after only rabbits as I find them boring, even though I've caught hundreds I rather foxes, cats, hares and bigger stuff. What other quarry do you have around there for them to be the fastest things where you are? A rabbit doesn't have the speed of a fox, hare or deer, so what else do you have where you are, rats?? And I'm mentioning your inexperience as you obviously haven't chased enough rabbits with different types of dogs to see the point I'm giving. And not all pitbulls are as you say, there's duds in every breed. I can't say I've ever seen a presa before but I know of pitbulls that would have less pain threshold as a little whippet... not everything turns out how they're bred for so the dog would have to do a hell of a lot more than catch a few rabbits to be bred from.