Presa Canario x Saluki Bull Grey for stud??

[Simoman 110]

registration-expiration: 09-Sep-2013

sites like this shouldnt have half the people on it and i say there is plenty more on here who agree with me

 

I couldn't agree more.....Would you like to join the numerous members deleted this week?

[nothernlite 18,089]

is there any 1 person on here that can keep there mouth shut when it comes to peoples topcs instead of helping use make matters worse have of use no fuckall and the other half like to stirr the shit it realy pisses me off to see people geting grief either answear the qs or say noting no need for the bitching at each other and the mods on here should be acting on this and not letting people argue firght and curse people down to the ground so mods and administrator enough is enough stop al this shit before this site ends up being shut down atb

is that like yourself commenting on the hanncock post saying there crap and never had one and i suppose you or is it use lol no every thing and if it pisses you of why would the site be shut down for a bit of banter

to some 1 of your mentality its banter to any one who asks an honest question its cyber abuse i didnt say they where crap i said i dont like them there is a diffrence see its people like you who make a site like this a joke it seems no body is aloud have an opinon on here im not a mister now it all either but i do no what i ilike and what i dont like and people on here i dont like with smart attitudes which every second post has trouble on it so i dont see where the banter is

well your banter level is very poor then coming from ireland to im surprised see even i find that funny calling me joke thanks thats made my day thanks again and have a nice rest of the day

[fay 75]

sorry mate but every person nearly on here seems to be contradicting or abuseive and its not on see people judge without tinkn im not the worst in the world if people give chances they will see that but on here u cant say noting without some jumping down your throat

[crorider 174]

is there any 1 person on here that can keep there mouth shut when it comes to peoples topcs instead of helping use make matters worse have of use no fuckall and the other half like to stirr the shit it realy pisses me off to see people geting grief either answear the qs or say noting no need for the bitching at each other and the mods on here should be acting on this and not letting people argue firght and curse people down to the ground so mods and administrator enough is enough stop al this shit before this site ends up being shut down atb

 

Thank you for you insight after a month on the forum. To the OP, the dog has done nothing to merit breeding from, its make up is nothing 99% of lurcher owners would want in a running dgs make up and by your own admission the dog ill do very little. The rescue homes are full of lurchers and i fear this would just add to the numbers and misery......... The op also asked if the Presa would bring something new to the table, at best it will be a very poor second to the bull blood out there.......

Without wishing to get into another argument, and i ask without any sarcasm at all, just curiosity and inexperience. Whyb would the Presa at best, be a very poor second to the existing bull blood?

I only ask as its my understanding that Bull blood is introduced to add, bite, power and gameness? Correct me if I'm wrong. A Presa Canario has a much bigger bite force and more power. They can also be very similar in pain tolerance to an APBT.

And if weight and size needed to be added to the genes for whatever reason then the benefits there would be obvious. I know an APBT is quicker and far more agile but is that the only reason why you say it would be far superior?

[Simoman 110]

I gave an honest reply as the OP seems literate and honest. Personally i wouldn't comtemplate having a pup of that breeding, or know anyone who would.

[crorider 174]

sorry mate but every person nearly on here seems to be contradicting or abuseive and its not on see people judge without tinkn im not the worst in the world if people give chances they will see that but on here u cant say noting without some jumping down your throat

I agree with what youre saying, you will get ripped on here wether you like it or not but as ive discovered myself thats the way it is and its not gonna change. But im sure you joined this thread to give us all a bollockin for not answering the mans questions without arguing amongst ourselves?? But thats exactly what youre doing now, gone completely off topic

[fay 75]

nope not all of use just the smart arses who always reply to my topics ill leave it at that atb

[Stuart Rope 22]

Can a just let say i have an am-bull. Bitch. 3yr nc24tts. And she's had a more than a few what people don't realise is there's 2strains/type JOHNSONS. AND PERFORMANCE johnsons are big. Bears couldn't catch a cold but excellent guard dogs but the performance/Scott type are bred for boar and such and are on the ball 100% of the time i take mine ferreting/longnetting sometimes!! and tbh i don't think my Lurcher pup would have picked it up as quick without her. I would never take her out solo for a rabbiting session but she's handy to have around.

 

 

 

And presa x wateva next why try and create something that's already there bull x have thick bones height and as uz say game sometimes to much prey drive only thing I've heard that's bad. Is coat on sum cases prone to rips/tares. Plus its lineage i PEARSONALY wouldn't advise it but im sure if ur heads set on the matter u won't care Wat wee say/advise. Message skycat im sure she'll giveg u a good few more/better reasons .

 

 

N crorider the reason u gt the piss takin out of u is because oh the chiua bit oh the cross mate I've already told you as long as your happy who cares the reason this guys getting piss takin out of him is this is a disaster waiting to happen atb Stuart

[crorider 174]

Can a just let say i have an am-bull. Bitch. 3yr nc24tts. And she's had a more than a few what people don't realise is there's 2strains/type JOHNSONS. AND PERFORMANCE johnsons are big. Bears couldn't catch a cold but excellent guard dogs but the performance/Scott type are bred for boar and such and are on the ball 100% of the time i take mine ferreting/longnetting sometimes!! and tbh i don't think my Lurcher pup would have picked it up as quick without her. I would never take her out solo for a rabbiting session but she's handy to have around.

 

 

 

And presa x wateva next why try and create something that's already there bull x have thick bones height and as uz say game sometimes to much prey drive only thing I've heard that's bad. Is coat on sum cases prone to rips/tares. Plus its lineage i PEARSONALY wouldn't advise it but im sure if ur heads set on the matter u won't care Wat wee say/advise. Message skycat im sure she'll giveg u a good few more/better reasons .

 

 

N crorider the reason u gt the piss takin out of u is because oh the chiua bit oh the cross mate I've already told you as long as your happy who cares the reason this guys getting piss takin out of him is this is a disaster waiting to happen atb Stuart

Im not getting into the chihuahua thing again, Ive explained a hundred times that we added chihuahua blood to our line for bite, power, stamina and speed. Not my fault everyone else is blind to these obvious qualities.

But nobodys actually explained why they think Presa blood shouldnt be added other than Bull blood is better. If his head was set on it no matter what then why would he bother starting the thread? he explained hes not from hunting circles and wanted experienced peoples opinions, which theyve given him but havent explained why. Personally id love to know why a bull would be far superior and im not arguing that that isnt the case, just interested to know thats all.

 

Oh and i did know there are 2 types of american bulldog, ive seen both run with my dog. theyre quite popular round my way

[Stuart Rope 22]

I Dnt no Wat others think mate but id say for same reason we Dnt uz am-bull it would have a head like a brick heavy bones probably a good badger dog if not illegal but i can't see anything else on the plus side ud get that the bullx already hasn't.

 

N i've told u im wanting a wolfhound x chuia but defow a wolfhound sire x chuia dam. I imagine this would suit me lol n atb with the whirrier mate

[Gitano 17]

Can a just let say i have an am-bull. Bitch. 3yr nc24tts. And she's had a more than a few what people don't realise is there's 2strains/type JOHNSONS. AND PERFORMANCE johnsons are big. Bears couldn't catch a cold but excellent guard dogs but the performance/Scott type are bred for boar and such and are on the ball 100% of the time i take mine ferreting/longnetting sometimes!! and tbh i don't think my Lurcher pup would have picked it up as quick without her. I would never take her out solo for a rabbiting session but she's handy to have around.

 

 

 

And presa x wateva next why try and create something that's already there bull x have thick bones height and as uz say game sometimes to much prey drive only thing I've heard that's bad. Is coat on sum cases prone to rips/tares. Plus its lineage i PEARSONALY wouldn't advise it but im sure if ur heads set on the matter u won't care Wat wee say/advise. Message skycat im sure she'll giveg u a good few more/better reasons .

 

 

N crorider the reason u gt the piss takin out of u is because oh the chiua bit oh the cross mate I've already told you as long as your happy who cares the reason this guys getting piss takin out of him is this is a disaster waiting to happen atb Stuart

Im not getting into the chihuahua thing again, Ive explained a hundred times that we added chihuahua blood to our line for bite, power, stamina and speed. Not my fault everyone else is blind to these obvious qualities.

But nobodys actually explained why they think Presa blood shouldnt be added other than Bull blood is better. If his head was set on it no matter what then why would he bother starting the thread? he explained hes not from hunting circles and wanted experienced peoples opinions, which theyve given him but havent explained why. Personally id love to know why a bull would be far superior and im not arguing that that isnt the case, just interested to know thats all.

 

Oh and i did know there are 2 types of american bulldog, ive seen both run with my dog. theyre quite popular round my way

 

Mate, here in Spain I've seen lots of crosses that can work, including Presa blood. But if you're looking for tenacity, agility, lungs, mouth, athleticism and...*add whole other list of favourable hunting attributes*... you're putting the odds mightily in your favour by using other, more obvious blood. Why bring more litters into the rescue world just to satisfy a silly urge? The last Presas I saw here would be great for setting on people if you were involved in underworld activities and I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end that's for sure, but as a hunting dog? Much better options out there.

[paulsmithy83 567]

a lady off here breed the said litter of the above x by accidental mating. The saluki/bull/grey is blue if I remember rightly not like that makes much difference and the mother was the presa was considering having one as a guard among other things. There's a few knocking about off the litter working

[bunnys 1,228]

Rabbits are the slowest quarry and pure collies will catch them on the lamp

I might be be wrong but forgive my ignorance if i am.. are rat's a bit slower than rabbit's i think i have read some thing somewhere before that's rat's can reach a speed of 25mph but rabbit's can top out at 30 + mph..again sorry if i am wrong..

i would think inthe light of day or night its not about top speed a feraari or any suped up motor can attain top speeds and the little average corsair very little . But like most thingds in life its ohhhhh so different in the light of day . atb bunnys .

[Cunners 3]

Well firstly, thanks to Simomam for saying I'm literate and honest. I am.

 

Secondly, thanks to Fay who has brought our attention to just how much people on these forums love to use these discussions as a means to score points, annoy people and generally piss on each others arguments.

 

Lastly, a big thanks to Crorider, who despite the piss taking he endures, he makes some good points and is one of the few people in this discussion who seem to have an open mind on this topic.

 

I've owned dogs from peds to mongrels all my life. Bottom line; a good dog is a good dog, regardless of breed, lines, size etc. Can the dog function?? Can he do a job?? This is whats important for a working dog. My question quite simply was can this Bull Grey cross Presa bring anything that anyone would want/need for the betterment of their own lines.

 

On reflection, the majority of these posts seem to suggest that without a proven track record, breeding this dog would be a gamble. I agree. The question is, is it a gamble anyone is willing to take??

 

As already stated, I dont need to stud this dog. I'm not looking for cash and would only put him over a good bitch with an owner who had a well thought out reason for using him. If you do want to discuss using him then feel free to PM me.

 

I thank all who have contributed.

 

Cunners

[CorkyJohn 808]

Again......the only person who would seriously consider this breeding are idiots & folk out for the money. You're not breeding for yourself so consider yourself another contribution to the peddlars income if you go ahead with this. No sane person would breed to enhance their working line