V-Mach Kit.

[thursodog 353]

Got my kit from the RFD today so i'm gonna do a blow by blow photo shoot of me fitting it into the to show how easy they are to fit.

 

CW.

[woodcote1 88]

Look forward to that.

[mikeyblue 28]

Not sure on the HW's. Have fitted one to my MKII TX200 and that was a doddle and I'm one of the least mechanically minded blokes going!! I found the instructions simple to follow. Regarding the performance I dont think you will be dissapointed!

 

Look forward to seeing your thread!

 

Mikey.

[Pink or stink 162]

I fitted a new kit to my HW97 two weeks ago. Prior to this I tried the pellet on the turrett excercise to see what happened. It stayed there so I felt that if the Vmach improved that then I was in for a treat. Anyway, after fitting it the pellet stayed on the turrett but the recoil was noticeably stronger. I tried a few different combinations of washers but even removing them all I was still disappointed. I sold it on ebay days later. I found out that the HW97 had been to SFS months before so in all it was a really smooth rifle that should have been left alone.

[Stuart1985 256]

i swear by them, my diana 52 is far better with one in it

[thursodog 353]

The 97k is great with it but my the fac kit in the is still pretty harsh, its better than just sticking in a Titan spring which i did to begin with,but its not alot better as i had done a bit of work with a piston liner, new seal, buttons etc and a bit of polishing.

Not given it much of a chance as yet so i'll see how i get on with it tomorrow night on the perm.

Got to say the 97k is rock solid with the pellet on the turret test but the , nah!

Stuck a pellet on the turret fired the gun and ping the pellet flew past behind my left lug hole, oh well win some lose some.

I might put my cut down titan spring back in if i can't group the shots.

No idea what its making but i had 3" of spring still sticking out when i offered up the end to the tube and the piston was all the way home.

ics to follow i didn't include me wrestling with the big spring as i'd hate to offer advice that may injure someone.

If its sub 12 simples, fac spring is a bit of a bugger though.

I stick on welding gauntlets and use a fair bit of graft to get it in.

Gunsmith for the fac spring i reckons.

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

The 97k is great with it but my the fac kit in the is still pretty harsh, its better than just sticking in a Titan spring which i did to begin with,but its not alot better as i had done a bit of work with a piston liner, new seal, buttons etc and a bit of polishing.

Not given it much of a chance as yet so i'll see how i get on with it tomorrow night on the perm.

Got to say the 97k is rock solid with the pellet on the turret test but the , nah!

Stuck a pellet on the turret fired the gun and ping the pellet flew past behind my left lug hole, oh well win some lose some.

I might put my cut down titan spring back in if i can't group the shots.

No idea what its making but i had 3" of spring still sticking out when i offered up the end to the tube and the piston was all the way home.

ics to follow i didn't include me wrestling with the big spring as i'd hate to offer advice that may injure someone.

If its sub 12 simples, fac spring is a bit of a bugger though.

I stick on welding gauntlets and use a fair bit of graft to get it in.

Gunsmith for the fac spring i reckons.

 

 

or a spring compressor.i know of a few people who can get a

Non fac spring in and out without much hassle..but fac u deffo want a spring com pressor

im going to try my non fac 97 & 95 over then next few days hope i can get the springs back in lol

[pianoman 3,587]

Hi Chris.

 

When my gunsmith tuned my FAC HW80 with a new Titan spring recently, he told me, it needed both himself plus his assistant with their spring-compressor, to compress it and fit it properly home. This is a long and massively powerful spring and it will bite like hell on an unwary hand! It sounds like you are using the same spec Titan. So, I really don't envy you if your doing this alone!

 

Be careful mate and keep us informed how you progress with this HW80.

 

Best wishes Chris.

 

Simon

[thursodog 353]

Hi guys,

Yeah i don't have a spring compressor so i made up a jig that works, its a total bast*rd but i've got the hang of it.

As i said i strongly advise a gunsmith chaps, my way of doing it is liable to get someone hurt if i posted the method so not going down that road.

Easy peasy on the non fac, i've stripped a good few now and put back together and there's no preload to contend with.

I'll get some pics up in the next few days and i'll report my findings on shooting the V-mach .

 

All the best gents.

 

CW.

[thursodog 353]

Cheers Simon.

The gun is shooting very nicely and even though its not as sedate on recoil as the sub 12 its still very good.

Early days though as i've only put about 50 pellets through, good so far though, will improve i'm sure.

The only disapointment is my pellets, the H&N FTTs are a bit eratic.

Straight from the tin they are in a group of about an inch and quarter over about 20 pellets at 30 yards.

I then shot 6- .96 gramme making a 5 pence group.

Back to the tin grouped to about an inch.

Finally 6-.96 gramme single hole group again!

MMmmmm?

Do i have a bad batch of pellets?

All in all the V-Mach = ACE!

 

ATB Chris.

Edited September 6, 2012 by thursodog

[pianoman 3,587]

I'm not entirely sure you have a duff pellet batch Chris ,

 

I've found H&N FTT are still superbly accurate generally for Weihrauch barrels at sub 12ft/lb power but not as precisely consistent, sizewise as they used to be from tin to tin.. Some I've found are loose or small enough to be .20 cal. in a batch of .22 and there are some that are a bit over-tight. These inconsistencies really show up in a high performance barrel as they are being blown with even more massive compression forces, expanding the pellet with greater energy faster down the bore lands. Also could be the rifle is settling in, and throwing the FTTs about with minor power drops and surges as the new spring and kit beds in together. These will settle down and disappear soon enough.

 

My FAC HW80 loved H&N FTT 5.53mms from day 1. But now, since re-springing and tuning she seems to have fallen in love with RWS Superfields. These are a 5.52 mm headsize and they are a bit on the light/ looser-feeling side in the breech. But they are belting out at phenominal speed and consistent accuracy.

 

You may also need to re-assess your hold technique for a rifle that recoils as these tuned HW80s certainly do. Mine became a tad more hold-sensitive after tuning her up to put her on ticket.

 

Consequently, I have developed a hold technique where the three fingers of my controlling hand are gently but positively in contact with the grip. A fraction or so more than I would with my sub 12ft/lb rifles. Trigger set to the lightest possible let-off and my thumb up the spine of the "wrist" or grip. Forehand is as supportive-only as ever before.

 

Try that for yourself and see if it improves your group-consistency?.

 

The result is a sub-half inch group at 30 metres zero with the scope (Simmons Pro Air 6-18x40mm AO) set to 8xmag and just beneath the crosshair-centre on the target to hit dead on at 40 metres and the centre between the thin crosshair and the tip of the bottom, thicker post to hit dead on at 50 metres. Tip of the bottom post hits dead on at 60.

 

Which, for a rifle belting out over 20ft/lbs and a rather pronounced recoil is not bad at all. I had a great evening-to-dusk shooting with her the other night and fell in love with my HW80 all over again!

 

Fabulous rifles these eh !

 

Best regards mate.

 

Simon.

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

 

 

Which, for a rifle belting out over 20ft/lbs and a rather pronounced recoil is not bad at all. I had a great evening-to-dusk shooting with her the other night and fell in love with my HW80 all over again!

 

 

 

Simon.

you mean shooting ON, and MAKING LOVE TO

 

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 

dont forget to wipe the stains off again lol

[pianoman 3,587]

You ain't gonna give me peace are you....Laddie ?!!

[thursodog 353]

Hi Simon.

Your spot on again sir, i've been weighing and measuring the ftts and there seems to be a range of weights from .92 (remebered the point this time) gramme to .98 gramme with differing diameters corresponding near enough with weight.

If i keep to the same weight i group better than random picking.

Not tried the 40 and 50 yards yet with the V-mach (nay that good yet) i'll shoot out to 50 at the weekend & see how i go.

Looks like 20 to 30 yards is more or less point and shoot with a tiny hold over up to 20 yards.

Your right Simon these 80s are the greatest, its really shooting well tonight with weighed pellets, totally out performs me, getting better though and its the most enjoyment i've had in any form of shooting.

I could get hooked on this target stuff i reckons.

Bunny bashing out to 35 yards tomorrow night though.

The hold with the 3 fingers slightly firmer than on the sub 12 does work a treat, i found it lessened the odd shot going a half inch high.

Off to the farm for more plinking now.

Was talking to Skot on another thread about how a lamp on my scope drops my poi by over an inch.

Its a tracer tristar thingy with a lithium battery strapped to the stock.

I have played around with it and at 10 mag on my MTC i click 20 up to correct my poi.

Sensitive stuff eh!

You have any probs with this sort of thing?

 

Many thanks for the advice mate.

 

All the best Chris.

 

P.S. I'm talking SH*T about the pellet size to weight, it turns out after weighing a whole tin that the size is random and not weight related.

No bunny bashing last night, had my 2 boys shooting targets, rather impressedat their performance, proud Dah.

Pics coming soon of V-mach once i get my idle ass in gear and stop playing with my springers.

Edited September 8, 2012 by thursodog

[Skot Ruthless Teale 1,701]

After ive got the scope on the 97 and zeroed in il put my lamp on top and take a few shots and see if it affects it