4 Burglers shot..

[redeye jedi 39]

they have been broken into 3 or 4 times before and have had 3 landrovers stolen, they had only just moved back into the cottage after leaving because of the breakins, 2 men were shot but not seriously injured. in my book if you go to rob anywhere and you end up being shot then thats your tuff titty, we all have to make choices and with them choices comes consiquences, if there wasnt the world would be fecked

 

That cottage was up for rent a short while ago a friend was interested in moving in good job he didn't. i used to fish the syndicate pool next door when i was a kid.

Lets hope they throw the book at the little twats that broke in. a good brief should get the tenant off given previous incidents????

 

Red

provided nothing was premeditated i carnt see there being any case to answer but who knows

 

depending on the judge at leicester crown court he very well might get away with it. lets hope so.

 

Red

[COMPO 54]

the problem here for the victims of the burglary is that its not instant arming to get the gun, a gun will be locked away, so you need to spend time an effort getting it out and loading it...............this would have given time to take other less drastic action, ringing 999 (i know that when seconds count the police are minutes away)

 

the common law right to self defence would allow the use of a weapon under what is legally called instant arming...........i.e. someone comes at you with a weapon or in a threatening manner, and you grab a tool or kitchen knife that was nearby, that would negate it being an offensive weapon as it is a common household item that you used when having "an honest held belief, that you or your family were under risk of immediate threat" a cricket bat that you played with or a hockey stick etc.....that you legitimately have and use could be used in such a panic situation

 

if he had been cleaning his gun or putting it away after shooting when they broke in then a gun could be the first useable weapon to hand and would be covered by "instant arming"

 

in this incident and the fact that he shot them at such a distance I envisage he will be in trouble. In fact i thought they were leaving when he shot them not coming towards them.

 

Look up "common law right to self defence" "sec 3 criminal law act" "sec 17 PACE" these acts outline the rights to use force for self defence or to detain someone for a crime......its not just police that can do so.......but i fear this man did too much and may be in serious trouble

[Lab 10,979]

It's just my take on it , as I see it. I'll be f****d if I'm sitting in a cell cause of some robbing no mark. As for some of the responses on here. Well there some on here think they should have the right to shoot a poacher for taxing a few Birds. So forgive me for not jumping on the wyatt Earp bandwagon!

Struggling to see the problem....explain?...

[lanesra 3,994]

was at a game fair in the lake district , an old boy there sellin odds and sods out off an old van , pleasant old boy bought a few bits off him , the next time i seen him was on crime watch , he'd been robbed in his own home threatened with all sorts off violence , people who do these type off crimes are worthy off no sane persons sympathy , whatever action taken by a person put in this type of situation should be accepted , whether that be freeze comply and hope they dont harm anyone and just take material things or fight back and attempt to stop them in there tracks and if that involves a gun so be it , as already stated no 1 really knows how they'd react and i bet Not 1 Person On Here would Want To Be Put In That Situation To Find Out , Hope The Couple Walk and can carry on with there lives , as i bet there more devastated with whats happened than the 4 thieving tossers are !

Edited September 3, 2012 by lanesra

[the_stig 6,614]

was at a game fair in the lake district , an old boy there sellin odds and sods out off an old van , pleasant old boy bought a few bits off him , the next time i seen him was on crime watch , he'd been robbed in his own home threatened with all sorts off violence , people who do these type off crimes are worthy off no sane persons sympathy , whatever action taken by a person put in this type of situation should be accepted , whether that be freeze comply and hope they dont harm anyone and just take material things or fight back and attempt to stop them in there tracks and if that involves a gun so be it , as already stated no 1 really knows how they'd react and i bet Not 1 Person On Here would Want To Be Put In That Situation To Find Out , Hope The Couple Walk and can carry on with there lives , as i bet there more devastated with whats happened than the 4 thieving tossers are !

your last line says a lot -- they`ll both be gutted .... alot will come out in the next few weeks a conviction will mean some of thr plans for the future will have to be binned ..

[paulus 26]

was at a game fair in the lake district , an old boy there sellin odds and sods out off an old van , pleasant old boy bought a few bits off him , the next time i seen him was on crime watch , he'd been robbed in his own home threatened with all sorts off violence , people who do these type off crimes are worthy off no sane persons sympathy , whatever action taken by a person put in this type of situation should be accepted , whether that be freeze comply and hope they dont harm anyone and just take material things or fight back and attempt to stop them in there tracks and if that involves a gun so be it , as already stated no 1 really knows how they'd react and i bet Not 1 Person On Here would Want To Be Put In That Situation To Find Out , Hope The Couple Walk and can carry on with there lives , as i bet there more devastated with whats happened than the 4 thieving tossers are !

your last line says a lot -- they`ll both be gutted .... alot will come out in the next few weeks a conviction will mean some of thr plans for the future will have to be binned ..

i feel for them mate, to me its very simple the 4 lads had a choice, the couples actions were only a reaction to this choice, so in other words "theyve only themselves to blame for getting shot at"

[SportingShooter 0]

I'd be interested to know what the "aggravated" part of the burglary was. If they had gone with some form of weapons then they are in much deeper than your common burglar who climbs through a window and nicks a TV.

 

I can't see him being charged with attempt murder due to it probably not being pre-meditated to kill them.

 

If he has managed to grab his shotgun relatively quickly with the intention of using it to scare them just by having it but then being confronted by one of them with a weapon, it shows him in a better light to my mind, even if the gun was locked away.

 

"Reasonable Force" suggests you use the amount of force as is necessary and reasonable for self defence. If you are threatened with a knife, lethal weapon after all, a shotgun could be deemed the same.

 

I don't know what I would do, my mind would be made up at the time. Split second thinking.

[paulus 26]

I'd be interested to know what the "aggravated" part of the burglary was. If they had gone with some form of weapons then they are in much deeper than your common burglar who climbs through a window and nicks a TV.

 

I can't see him being charged with attempt murder due to it probably not being pre-meditated to kill them.

 

If he has managed to grab his shotgun relatively quickly with the intention of using it to scare them just by having it but then being confronted by one of them with a weapon, it shows him in a better light to my mind, even if the gun was locked away.

 

"Reasonable Force" suggests you use the amount of force as is necessary and reasonable for self defence. If you are threatened with a knife, lethal weapon after all, a shotgun could be deemed the same.

 

I don't know what I would do, my mind would be made up at the time. Split second thinking.

im sure nobody would know how they would react untill faced with the same senario. people who are trained to react to a threat will react differently to those who havent had any training. the bodys natural reaction is to run from harm (self presevation mode) the fight mode will only kick in if there is no way out, but as i said training will change this.

[B.P.R 2,798]

Good on the householders. It's less than they deserve!!

 

The burglars only sustained 'spray' injuries which may imply that they were running away? As a shotgun fired in a room would be sure to kill the person it was aimed at?

 

This may be where the police will try to prosecute.

 

It's not right but it's the shiitty loopholes people find to twist it around.

[the_stig 6,614]

shotgun was fired into the air as a warning -- problem could be it was already loaded and ready for use ---

[paulus 26]

shotgun was fired into the air as a warning -- problem could be it was already loaded and ready for use ---

could have just walked in from a spot of lamping. or nusience fox in the garden

[riohog 5,701]

I'd be interested to know what the "aggravated" part of the burglary was. If they had gone with some form of weapons then they are in much deeper than your common burglar who climbs through a window and nicks a TV.

 

I can't see him being charged with attempt murder due to it probably not being pre-meditated to kill them.

 

If he has managed to grab his shotgun relatively quickly with the intention of using it to scare them just by having it but then being confronted by one of them with a weapon, it shows him in a better light to my mind, even if the gun was locked away.

 

"Reasonable Force" suggests you use the amount of force as is necessary and reasonable for self defence. If you are threatened with a knife, lethal weapon after all, a shotgun could be deemed the same.

 

I don't know what I would do, my mind would be made up at the time. Split second thinking.

im sure nobody would know how they would react untill faced with the same senario. people who are trained to react to a threat will react differently to those who havent had any training. the bodys natural reaction is to run from harm (self presevation mode) the fight mode will only kick in if there is no way out, but as i said training will change this.

when your back is against a wall ... you can only go foward

[fordson 33]

its got to the stage now were people have to protect themselves,everyone knows the wrong,uns in there own area,the only people who dont is the police its not that often you see them outside the police car,they just turn up turn up after crimes are commited to sort it out.

[jackinbox99 41]

the problem here for the victims of the burglary is that its not instant arming to get the gun, a gun will be locked away, so you need to spend time an effort getting it out and loading it...............this would have given time to take other less drastic action, ringing 999 (i know that when seconds count the police are minutes away)

 

the common law right to self defence would allow the use of a weapon under what is legally called instant arming...........i.e. someone comes at you with a weapon or in a threatening manner, and you grab a tool or kitchen knife that was nearby, that would negate it being an offensive weapon as it is a common household item that you used when having "an honest held belief, that you or your family were under risk of immediate threat" a cricket bat that you played with or a hockey stick etc.....that you legitimately have and use could be used in such a panic situation

 

if he had been cleaning his gun or putting it away after shooting when they broke in then a gun could be the first useable weapon to hand and would be covered by "instant arming"

 

in this incident and the fact that he shot them at such a distance I envisage he will be in trouble. In fact i thought they were leaving when he shot them not coming towards them.

 

Look up "common law right to self defence" "sec 3 criminal law act" "sec 17 PACE" these acts outline the rights to use force for self defence or to detain someone for a crime......its not just police that can do so.......but i fear this man did too much and may be in serious trouble

 

Thats a good point really. If you hear someone breaking in downstairs you would reach for the first thing at hand. A lump of wood, a bat, a fire poker or something. If you instead went and got your gun cabinet keys, opened it up, got a gun out, loaded it up then thats a lot of thinking there gone into that. Its not an instinctive reaction.

 

Had you just been walking in the back door from a night out lamping with gun in hand, then reaching into your pocket and loading a couple of cartridges and shooting at a burgler would be pretty instinctive. You may even just fire at the wall or floor as a warning shot.

[skycat 6,173]

the law definitely needs to change: only recently there was that case of an old woman being tortured for hours to get her to give up the code to her safe, if I remember rightly. Nowadays, anyone in their house is rightly in fear of their lives the moment a burglar enters. Another thing, how many older people would feel able to swing a cricket bat, or lash out with a knife if confronting a burglar? Only someone trained in that type of hand to hand combat would feel comfortable using a 'weapon' at close quarters in this way. It's about time that people in their own homes are allowed to defend themselves in any manner with which they feel in control. I'd love to see a few burglars blown away with no repercussion to the instigator: might cut down a bit on aggravated or non aggravated burglary!