Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I'm getting pretty bored of this now, I've never ever slagged off Lurchers for fucks sake! look through the running dog section see how many threads are mine involving my own dogs. I love all aspects of dog work that's why I do them all. I've never knocked genuine lads who choose to hunt with any type of dog after any type of quarry because that's how I like things done myself. I'm not really into shooting although I have shotguns, rifles and pistols hunting with dogs is my preffered method everytime. I think some of you have seriously got your wires crossed about this pretty much my whole life genuinely revolves around hounds, terriers and lurchers I'd never knock any of these ever. what boils my piss is the fact that a small minority know f**k all about the countryside, seasons, farming and dare I say it even dogs and then come on here spouting shit and doing the genuine lads a lot of harm. It's that simple................................................ 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giro 2,648 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. I can't find my comment now so I'm guessing mods removed it, my comment was about the mentality of some dog owners not the act of killing foxes with Lurchers. As previously stated I don't have a problem with killing foxes dogs/guns/snares whatever if carried out correctly and for the right reasons. But if someone doesn't know wether to enter their dog or not I'm guessing they don't really need to and the fox isn't a problem is it? Can they not be learning the ropes?? ( In legal countries) Not everyone will have the advantage of having an experianced dog man on hand... They may wish to get into fox hunting through seeing plenty around, I am only guessing in some area's there may be more foxes about to hunt compared to rabbits?? Who determins the "right reason to hunt" ?? Again you have double standards leveller, if some chav wants to smash a few foxes with his bull cross he has as much right to do that,as a pack of fox hounds. Edited August 30, 2012 by Giro Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I get what the lad is saying. But if folk want a moan, moan about the lads doing 'pest control' shooting as many foxes as possible, on largely arable land (with no pheasants), using night vision. No 'sport' in that at all, my nan could manage that! now thats something i do agree on, the same can be said for rooks dont take the piss now. you know what i was doing in the rain yesterday whilst you were eating a carvery.. yup, shooting fecking rooks! you were on that as quick as fook yes i was filling my face in the pub, while you were in a hedge getting piss wet through aint life a bitch 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I'm getting pretty bored of this now, I've never ever slagged off Lurchers for fucks sake! look through the running dog section see how many threads are mine involving my own dogs. I love all aspects of dog work that's why I do them all. I've never knocked genuine lads who choose to hunt with any type of dog after any type of quarry because that's how I like things done myself. I'm not really into shooting although I have shotguns, rifles and pistols hunting with dogs is my preffered method everytime. I think some of you have seriously got your wires crossed about this pretty much my whole life genuinely revolves around hounds, terriers and lurchers I'd never knock any of these ever. what boils my piss is the fact that a small minority know f**k all about the countryside, seasons, farming and dare I say it even dogs and then come on here spouting shit and doing the genuine lads a lot of harm. It's that simple................................................ Now you know what its like to be attacked for having diffrent views or opinions Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Who determins the "right reason to hunt" ?? Again you have double standards leveller, if some chav wants to smash a few foxes with his bull cross he has as much right to do that,as a pack of fox hounds. I wouldn't use the term "chav" but I don't believe that he does have as much right. As mentioned earlier all the hard work that goes into a hunting country to sustain a healthy population only to be interfered with by some trespassing undesirable type who has no permission who just wants to "smash a few foxes". Do you have as much right to steal a pheasant from a keeper who slaves long hours to rear and protect his birds or to steal diesel from the farmer who works hard around to make a living? Now you know what its like to be attacked for having diffrent views or opinions Nobody attacked you for working your dogs on leads when ferreting I just have a differing opinion and the thing is I don't have a differing opinion these lads just seem very anti foxhunting which is something I very pro but I'm just as pro Lurchers it's most bizarre :laugh: 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weasle 1,119 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I heard they use 150 dogs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
paulus 26 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I heard they use 150 dogs i read that somewhere on here 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) i understand the point of hounds and to be fair i dont dislike it, i was trying to get a point across to leveller but i dont think i managed that. he said about people going to to kill foxes when not for pest control, i.e asked to do it, wasnt on or he didnt agree with it but accepted hounds. to me they are principally the same as not every fox the hounds killed was for pest control and i dont think anyone has the right especially in this game to condem another mans sport. Whether he has permission, is asked to do it or is just doing it for his own pleasure we as a hunting fraternity shouldnt condemn any man aslong as he isnt doing something that doesnt put hunting in a bad light. yes there are the idiots that kill deer and leave them to rot but the majority that do deer, fox or hare either now or before the ban didnt do them for pest control or for food but for sport. in todays society one for the pot isnt a valid excuse to kill something as meat is easy enough to come by, we do it for sport and to test either the dog or the equipment or ourselves and the reason the ban come about wasnt just the antis but also ourselves for not banding together and in my opinion whether you dont like something or not aslong as its legitimate we shouldnt publicly air our dislike of it. prior to the ban my thing was foxing with dogs, did i do it because i had to? no. did i do it to test the dogs and myself at different aspects? yes. round here you cant call in a fox now because of the hunts, they call and fire blanks over them so that they can run them thereselves ( thats from the horses mouth so tospeak ) so if they where genuinly doing it for pest control and not just for sport they wouldnt allow that to happen. just my opinion, i think we all need to ban together and not condem each other for not doing things that we see to be right or wrong. theres enough against us without fighting within ourselves . Are you for real. Strait from the horses mouth so to speak!!!!! then we should all band together and not condem each other!!!!!!! read what you write Moron Edited August 30, 2012 by gonetoearth 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
weasle 1,119 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I heard they use 150 dogs i read that somewhere on here Its true his friend told him.......... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. Foxing with Lurchers if done properly is a battle of wits and grit, the dog misses and well that's it the fox has won that round. The fox has a fair chance and it tests the Lurcher in both ability and will. Hounds well to me there's no sport in it, all day chasing one fox through all manner of groin and should he go to ground he's still not safe. Now if this was for one problem fox as a manner of pest control fair enough but when it's to be sport well I dont see it as one as to me the prey has to have as much chance as the dog. Normally I don't comment about other sports but you seem to think it acceptable so that's my opinion on what I find to be a disgrace to hunting I didnt read the other thread but i'm sure that kind of statement gets folks backs up. Its an uninformed bollocks media based line that antis use like wildfire mate, complete and utter tosh.............. But you did give me some other info on another topic and it changed my views on a certain subject, i'm sure you remember.......... i know exactly what you mean lab and i dont by any means think that but that was to get my point across. I'm not knocking Keepers or Pest Controllers or even somebody putting a bit of meat in the freezer these in my eyes are genuine reasons to be doing what we do but if you don't know whether or not to enter your dog I'm guessing the red isn't causing anybody a problem so leave it be. this is the point i was argueing lab, just because a young man doesnt know how to enter a dog doesnt mean he should and i cant find the other comment but he also said about going and killing for no reason. well into todays society who actually does much hunting for pest control? yes we all get the odd jobs but the majority is for sport. theres alot of fieldsport aspects i disagree with but that doesnt mean i would publicily declare it or bad mouth it.. OH MY HEAD HURTS DO YOU HAVE SHORT TERM MEMORY LOSS !! sorry to go on but also what you said changed your opinion was pretty much the same as the opinion i put on here, unless people witness it for themselves they have the opinion that media creates so by our own saying people go out purely for killing sake its creating more of a bad image for people especially our own people that dont hunt in that way and only read about it here Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. Foxing with Lurchers if done properly is a battle of wits and grit, the dog misses and well that's it the fox has won that round. The fox has a fair chance and it tests the Lurcher in both ability and will. Hounds well to me there's no sport in it, all day chasing one fox through all manner of groin and should he go to ground he's still not safe. Now if this was for one problem fox as a manner of pest control fair enough but when it's to be sport well I dont see it as one as to me the prey has to have as much chance as the dog. Normally I don't comment about other sports but you seem to think it acceptable so that's my opinion on what I find to be a disgrace to hunting I didnt read the other thread but i'm sure that kind of statement gets folks backs up. Its an uninformed bollocks media based line that antis use like wildfire mate, complete and utter tosh.............. But you did give me some other info on another topic and it changed my views on a certain subject, i'm sure you remember.......... i know exactly what you mean lab and i dont by any means think that but that was to get my point across. I'm not knocking Keepers or Pest Controllers or even somebody putting a bit of meat in the freezer these in my eyes are genuine reasons to be doing what we do but if you don't know whether or not to enter your dog I'm guessing the red isn't causing anybody a problem so leave it be. this is the point i was argueing lab, just because a young man doesnt know how to enter a dog doesnt mean he should and i cant find the other comment but he also said about going and killing for no reason. well into todays society who actually does much hunting for pest control? yes we all get the odd jobs but the majority is for sport. theres alot of fieldsport aspects i disagree with but that doesnt mean i would publicily declare it or bad mouth it. sorry to go on but also what you said changed your opinion was pretty much the same as the opinion i put on here, unless people witness it for themselves they have the opinion that media creates so by our own saying people go out purely for killing sake its creating more of a bad image for people especially our own people that dont hunt in that way and only read about it here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giro 2,648 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Who determins the "right reason to hunt" ?? Again you have double standards leveller, if some chav wants to smash a few foxes with his bull cross he has as much right to do that,as a pack of fox hounds. I wouldn't use the term "chav" but I don't believe that he does have as much right. As mentioned earlier all the hard work that goes into a hunting country to sustain a healthy population only to be interfered with by some trespassing undesirable type who has no permission who just wants to "smash a few foxes". Do you have as much right to steal a pheasant from a keeper who slaves long hours to rear and protect his birds or to steal diesel from the farmer who works hard around to make a living? I would never tresspass or steal thats laughable... These young dog lads may well have permission you seem to be tarring them with other issuse rather that the first comment you made.. Bringing sub arguments/ outlandish statements to table, to fuel your argument.. Nobody mentioned stealing diese,l thats your narrow minded one way street mind. Its ok for you and your wee hunt but not some young boy with a bull cross... Sustain a healthy population :laugh: God forbid the hunt would draw a blank.. You have double standards and keep reinforcing them here for eveyone to read Edited August 30, 2012 by Giro 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cookiemonsterandmerlin Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 For some dogmen they hate landowners who have money keepers who work for rich men and protect there land from poachers riflemen who shoot there prey . Some say that the foxhunting ban was because of class issues well we have a huge divide on THL between diffrent groups so called countrymen/women let alone the antis . We need to share our countryside and work together the sooner some grasp that the better . ATB Cookie 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I'm not working together with anyone. Tbh I'm happy with what I do and that's my only concern. To many so called hunters have ruined it for themselfs. Either by moving in on your permission or getting you kicked of it for something they done or someone they told. Just enjoy what you do, and don't concern yourself with what others do ! 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Giro you hit it on the head. He was basically saying that hunt can do as they like and it's ok to poach for meat but no one should trespass for a fox Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Cookie. That battle has taken place for century's. Are. Friend south ham. Cries alllegence. Then two sentence later decries. Hunting then rallies the troops to band together. Hunt shoot ferret or fish. Whippet lurcher , hawk it's every. Man woman and child's birth right to carry out witch ever they choose. An English mans home is his castle but he has to go to tesco. To. Eat. !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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