Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Fox hunting, a few hounds they chase the scent a few people follow on horse back, they catch it or it gets away. Catching foxes with lurchers, a dog or two, chasing a fox they catch it or it gets away. Have I got it? I reckon that's just about sums it up that's why those are my preferred methods as opposed to other options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Is it meant to be fair? As in give the quarry a 50/50 chance of getting away or is a hunter meant to act fairly, as in ensure hunting is humanely carried out with no cruelty? I hunt because i enjoy the hunt, the catch is a bonus is some cases. Pre 2004 hutning with both hounds and lurchers was used as a humane method of fox control, a few idiots brought it into disripute but done correctly both are traditional, enjoyable and FAIR............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
"Earth!" 503 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well what reason does the hunt have to kill foxes? Because they choose to most of the time not because they have to Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. Foxing with Lurchers if done properly is a battle of wits and grit, the dog misses and well that's it the fox has won that round. The fox has a fair chance and it tests the Lurcher in both ability and will. Hounds well to me there's no sport in it, all day chasing one fox through all manner of groin and should he go to ground he's still not safe. Now if this was for one problem fox as a manner of pest control fair enough but when it's to be sport well I dont see it as one as to me the prey has to have as much chance as the dog. Normally I don't comment about other sports but you seem to think it acceptable so that's my opinion on what I find to be a disgrace to hunting i have the hunt through my estate, they see sport, to me its a form of pest control also. i get numerous the reason my hunt have is because if they didnt, then they can poke their permition.. if they are hunting the masters ground then so be it but if they are hunting shooting estates or farms that suffer to lamb troubles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well what reason does the hunt have to kill foxes? Because they choose to most of the time not because they have to Pre 2004 if hunts were drawing shoots, sheep farms etc etc and NOT killing foxes then pretty soon they would run out of hunt country................ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
"Earth!" 503 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well what reason does the hunt have to kill foxes? Because they choose to most of the time not because they have to Pre 2004 if hunts were drawing shoots, sheep farms etc etc and NOT killing foxes then pretty soon they would run out of hunt country................ Dont you mean told to Feck off?? 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tam O'Void 297 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 (edited) Well what reason does the hunt have to kill foxes? Because they choose to most of the time not because they have to Wild Mammals Bill ,in Scotland . It,s a Requirement,not a choice .Giving best is a Thing of the Past! Pre 94 in Rest of U.K. Scotland, Full pack ,Flushed to Guns is Still the Norm.. Fox has as Fair chance to allude as in any other Disipline....Its' still down to the Skill of the Hunter,getting line ,Hounds been up to Fitness,Scenting Etc...And the Placement of Standing Guns.. getting the right spots covered is An ART unto itself...some have a Knack of picking a good Spot ,some will stand allday with nothing but The Wind to blow By . Edited August 30, 2012 by Tam O'Void Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ideation 8,216 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 What reason does anyone have to hunt or kill anything? Most of the time, it's just for sport or fun. Very occaisionally it is some kind of genuine pest control, but for the most part they just do it because it'sa hobby that they enjoy. Lets face it, the hunts, killed very few foxes in comparisson to lads with rifles, who go out for numbers and sport, or those that went out to test their running dogs. Faireness is a relative thing, and doesn't count for shit if you are trying to put meat on the table, but that's not the case for 90% off folk. You set your own standards.And most of the time, you are trying to swing things in your favour , shaking the lamp etc etc. 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
"Earth!" 503 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 And none of us would want to see the end of them, well not a true countryspors enthusiast anyways. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 And none of us would want to see the end of them, well not a true countryspors enthusiast anyways. Agreed, any true hunter believes in control, not eradication........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
"Earth!" 503 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 And none of us would want to see the end of them, well not a true countryspors enthusiast anyways. Agreed, any true hunter believes in control, not eradication........... Any many hunts do more to conserve their quarry than any other fecker 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Simoman 110 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 And none of us would want to see the end of them, well not a true countryspors enthusiast anyways. Agreed, any true hunter believes in control, not eradication........... Any many hunts do more to conserve their quarry than any other fecker Exactly, planting cover and a million other things to conserve habitat, Unfortunately far too many non hunters..and hunters can't see beyond a red coat and "supposed" wealth............. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
"Earth!" 503 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 And none of us would want to see the end of them, well not a true countryspors enthusiast anyways. Agreed, any true hunter believes in control, not eradication........... Any many hunts do more to conserve their quarry than any other fecker Exactly, planting cover and a million other things to conserve habitat, Unfortunately far too many non hunters..and hunters can't see beyond a red coat and "supposed" wealth............. supposed wealth, exactly.. a few skint farmers and keepers around here ride to hounds. planting covers, siting artificial earths,and begging us keepers not to lamp the night before they are due i love my hunting and always make sure there is scent on the ground on their arrival Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moll. 1,770 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Bit confused about all of this Lev's. Are you on about the bit you wrote regarding animals needing or not needing to be controlled? I agree with that if it is. Too many people want to kill just for bragging rights. It is just the same as people who kill deer and leave them rotting where they lie imo. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lab 10,979 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. Foxing with Lurchers if done properly is a battle of wits and grit, the dog misses and well that's it the fox has won that round. The fox has a fair chance and it tests the Lurcher in both ability and will. Hounds well to me there's no sport in it, all day chasing one fox through all manner of groin and should he go to ground he's still not safe. Now if this was for one problem fox as a manner of pest control fair enough but when it's to be sport well I dont see it as one as to me the prey has to have as much chance as the dog. Normally I don't comment about other sports but you seem to think it acceptable so that's my opinion on what I find to be a disgrace to hunting I didnt read the other thread but i'm sure that kind of statement gets folks backs up. Its an uninformed bollocks media based line that antis use like wildfire mate, complete and utter tosh.............. But you did give me some other info on another topic and it changed my views on a certain subject, i'm sure you remember.......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stewie 3,387 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 ill be honest here and say when i was growing up i thought the hound packs were pointless and just for posh nobs on horses!!!! but after being involved with a terrierman on a good hunt nr wales i seen the "true" side of the hunt and had some great days out with them!!! theres so much to learn about the ethics of the pack that you never will by being a normal "follower".... a good huntsman will no each hounds individual qualities as much as you know your own lurcher or terrier in the kennel down your garden!!! i remember one day out with them and there was about 20 couple out, a fox got put up and the terrierman said to me "keep your eye on that black an tan welsh hound today" so i did and what a hound he was!!!! infront of the pack all day and when the fox went to ground he was the one digging on at the front of the pack, baying for all he was worth!!! a good friend of mine ended up with him when he was to old to hunt with the pack all day and we had some good days with him on the estate, the amount of earths he found that we never knew existed was unreal!! such a clever animal to.... never under estimate the amount of hard work that goes into a good pack, theres A HELL OF ALOT more to it than just unboxing a few hounds and following them on horses, dressed in posh clothing....... 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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