South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What am I talking crap about and whose misinformed you of that? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 when we hunted with fell packs Funny I only seem to remember one of us on the Fell glued to Michael Nicholson's coat tails watching hounds the other was in a pub car park sat in a truck with the heater on picking broken bits of pink champagne bottle out of their hair The most effective method for pest control is a gun so why not shoot? Absolute bollocks, that says more about you and your dogs than anything else Shooting is more humane, quicker, easier and better for pest control. Again more shit! Why should they get permission? I got a dog knowing I would have to poach - stopped me fighting,drinking, taking drugs, selling drugs and much other stuff. I learnt a lot by not having permission for the first several years, stuff I would have never learnt if I had permission. Whether you agree or not it was that poaching that taught me field craft as poaching causes you to be quiet, careful with the lamp and careful whom you take to land you have found. I respect my dogs, quarry and the land in my opinion more because I started out poaching But you obviously have absolutely no respect for a fellow dogman who has worked hard to gain permission and who respects his land, his deer, his rabbits etc because you feel that you have some right to take what's his based on the grounds that if you're not doing that you'd be pushing drugs on others or fighting? When I was just starting to get interested in girls I'd play with myself and learn all about how things worked, I'd watch movies, look at blue mags and talk to my peers about sex. I might walk down the road see a hot looking girl who's way out of my league and think I'd love a bit of that but that doesn't give me the right to smack her over the head and smash her back doors in. I do however feel that I could approach her in a polite civil respectful manner and maybe ask her out, wine her dine her I might get a good night kiss, I might even get to stroke her cat through the letter box or she might say simply say no, I've got a boyfriend (someone elses permission) oh well life's unfair. I'm going to go out on a limb here and I don't do this very often on the sites but based on the absolute ignorance and naivety of so many of your posts I'm going to ask you two questions. Are you a teenager? Have you ever sat on stage in Manchester and talked to somebody called Jeremy? Are you honestly trying to say that hunting an animal with a dog is more efficient than shooting? A few examples where a dog is far more efficient than a gun LAMPING if there is a field with ten rabbits in a good dog should be able to lift at least seven of them. One shot with a gun and you will kill one but send the other nine running for home ........ WORKING A LARGE WARREN a dog on top of a large warren will pick up far more bolting rabbits than a man with a shotgun no matter how good his reactions are he will never know where the next bolt is coming from ......... BUSHING A LARGE AREA. You will push out far more rabbits with a dog working the rabbits to a waiting silent lurcher than you will to a gun after the first half a dozen shots them rabbits will not want to leave the safety of that cover ........... There are many more scenarios theses are just a few off the top of my head ............ 5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Barring the lamping I agree as with a silenced rimmy you should get all 10 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
socks 32,253 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Barring the lamping I agree as with a silenced rimmy you should get all 10 Depending on distance backdrop safe shooting wind livestock built up area etc none of these make any difference to a dog 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What am I talking crap about and whose misinformed you of that? Well you think guns are better than dogs, I have both and my dogs come out a hell of a lot more than my guns :laugh: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 That's a fair point socks, this post wasn't about dog vs gun but as people keeping turning ir Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Better at peat control ... Yes Better to work ... No Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Better at peat control ... Yes Better to work ... No Still bollocks, if you've done a bit you'd know every situation calls for something different you can't say one method is more efficient than the other without knowing the situation 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
long dogs 580 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What am I talking crap about and whose misinformed you of that? Well you think guns are better than dogs, I have both and my dogs come out a hell of a lot more than my guns :laugh: same here Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 have disagree malt lacs targeted hare coursing, Because they had basicly failed to get fox hunting banned in its own right, back in the 60s coursing nealy died through lack of interest a small minority kept it alive the 70s brought an influx of new coursing enthusiasts, the cup and old yorkshire became popular once again. The waterloo cup had not been reported on for years exept for small print in sporting press, lacs mean while were getting more extream with freinds in high places in the media and the entertaiment industrie , From a dozen protesters in the mid seventys to 50 60 late seventys , meanwhile their campain against foxhunting was getting no were, Jim callahans goverment was on its arse thatcher and the tories were gaining strenth the 80s brought thatcher foxhunting was safe with the tories lacs were gaining more and more friends in the media every feb norwest tv would roll up to film the anti s at altcar and the baying coursing crowd why they never botherd before, people in high places at the beeb and granada hunted , coursing became the easy target , yet , the bfss made little effort, ignore them they will go away , They had a fighting fund but still seemed aloof to the real threat all through the 80s the anti lobby hounded labour promising support unions, university grads, lacs, the rpsca, all joining forces. The cup got more and more coverage every year busing in antis from all over , new labour needed the unions the unions needed new labour prescot and co needed money to fight their campain lacs gleefully gave. Promises were made foxhunting's total ban was a bridge to far. Hare coursing was achevible the hunting act enqirey ensued , pheasants protected more than lambs , hares more important than rabbits , deals deals behind closed door coursing was sacrifised to appease. While hunting was given a way out simple, and just to make it more palitable they threw in mink and other mammals as to leave them out would have gave the hunting lobby more amo , blair abstaining gave him a way back with the real players and prescot got a peerage funny old world eh Can't argue with that, like I said earlier on the thread none of us mere mortals will ever know what really took place behind the scenes, all we can do is form an opinion based on what we know, or what we think we know. Your's is obviously based on more knowledge than mine.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mo_hawk 2 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 What am I talking crap about and whose misinformed you of that? Well you think guns are better than dogs, I have both and my dogs come out a hell of a lot more than my guns :laugh: same here Well you think guns are better than dogs, I have both and 'my dogs come out a hell of a lot more than my guns' Because dogs are less efficient?? and therefore require a hell of a lot more time to put the same numbers in the bag ........... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 That's a fair point socks, this post wasn't about dog vs gun but as people keeping turning ir . Your total lack of knowledge comes across in abundance. Why not go on the young hunters section were you may find a more fruitfull. Conversation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
long dogs 580 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 not into numbers or big bags Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Malt 379 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 Better at peat control ... Yes Better to work ... No Still bollocks, if you've done a bit you'd know every situation calls for something different you can't say one method is more efficient than the other without knowing the situation Exactly.. You ony have to look at the ratting threads that pop up on here now and again to see that.. I can't see how anybody'd do as well with a gun in that situation.. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gonetoearth 5,144 Posted August 31, 2012 Report Share Posted August 31, 2012 i think this thread should be binned . are everybody not suppose to on the same side ? instead of bitching on what another people hunt . this is what the antis want divide and make each other fight against each other. jmho. danny . Although I understand we're you are coming from I have to disagree. Let fools come on let them throw angronades. Just pick them up throw them back. Stand are ground we will win Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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