Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 There was a topic that's now been locked and a member typed this A fox hunt isn't fair leveller but that's a different debate It really got me thinking and I'd have to say in all honesty I don't think he's done much hunting or knows much at all about how a pack of hounds work. It strikes me very much as an opinion from a distorted, misinformed, ignorant anti/media fuelled mind. It's the old " 30 hounds and 50 horses running a fox until exhaustion and ripping it to shreds" argument. I don't mean to single this member out and it's certainly not personal but I never thought this would come up on a forum about hunting but as he stated "that's a different debate" well lets debate then Oh and just to clear everything up before this gets out of hand can we keep it purely historical and talk about pre 2004 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,773 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Leveller I think your comment about the ethics of foxing with lurchers rubbed a few up the wrong way. I must admit I don't agree with what you said specifically on the topic of foxing with lurchers but I accept your point. Specifically on this topic; I'm not sure hunting is meant to be fair or unfair, define it? A true hunter knows when he has cheated his quarry in his heart, it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth and it's not something you want to talk about afterwards. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Lol I think all the other sections are obsolete now, everything goes in the general section these days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Leveller I think your comment about the ethics of foxing with lurchers rubbed a few up the wrong way. I must admit I don't agree with what you said specifically on the topic of foxing with lurchers but I accept your point. Specifically on this topic; I'm not sure hunting is meant to be fair or unfair, define it? A true hunter knows when he has cheated his quarry in his heart, it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth and it's not something you want to talk about afterwards. Just to clear this up before we digress I've never said anything against killing foxes with Lurchers (forgive me if I don't use the word 'foxing' but I find that word a bit to Warreneresque) I've done it myself when necessary in the past and I've even got a half decent single handed (retired) bitch here so I have absolutely no problem with that at all............... Back to topic, very interesting point you make about being whether hunting is even supposed to be fair or unfair and I've even experienced that bitter taste you mention but that's what seperates the sportsmen/dogmen from the muppets. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. Foxing with Lurchers if done properly is a battle of wits and grit, the dog misses and well that's it the fox has won that round. The fox has a fair chance and it tests the Lurcher in both ability and will. Hounds well to me there's no sport in it, all day chasing one fox through all manner of groin and should he go to ground he's still not safe. Now if this was for one problem fox as a manner of pest control fair enough but when it's to be sport well I dont see it as one as to me the prey has to have as much chance as the dog. Normally I don't comment about other sports but you seem to think it acceptable so that's my opinion on what I find to be a disgrace to hunting Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Normally I don't comment about other sports but you seem to think it acceptable so that's my opinion on what I find to be a disgrace to hunting Wow! you show me where I've ever done that and I'll eat the biggest humble pie you can serve up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 I think your right about that bitter taste, if something goes wrong or you have to kill young for whatever reason it is horrible Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Giro 2,648 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 What about your double standards ??? I'm not knocking Keepers or Pest Controllers or even somebody putting a bit of meat in the freezer these in my eyes are genuine reasons to be doing what we do but if you don't know whether or not to enter your dog I'm guessing the red isn't causing anybody a problem so leave it be. Supose hunts being a bussiness and having finacial constriants every fox was a problem ??? As for fairness eveyones intitled to their own moral opinion. Folk get slated for doubling up lurchers 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 That was my point , 30 hound for no reason other than sport is fine but a Lurcher isnt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well leveller I don't normally condem another mans sport especially not in public but as born hunter said you did annoy me with your comment. I can't find my comment now so I'm guessing mods removed it, my comment was about the mentality of some dog owners not the act of killing foxes with Lurchers. As previously stated I don't have a problem with killing foxes dogs/guns/snares whatever if carried out correctly and for the right reasons. But if someone doesn't know wether to enter their dog or not I'm guessing they don't really need to and the fox isn't a problem is it? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,773 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Just to clear this up before we digress I've never said anything against killing foxes with Lurchers (forgive me if I don't use the word 'foxing' but I find that word a bit to Warreneresque) I've done it myself when necessary in the past and I've even got a half decent single handed (retired) bitch here so I have absolutely no problem with that at all............... Sent a PM on this as I didn't want to drag the thread away. Warrener esque..... had to google that one, lol. I bought one of his videos a long time ago, never another!............ I've always just said, rabbiting, ratting, foxing, ferreting etc when specifics are implied. Never really made the connection with said man....... you've ruined it for me now! Back to topic, very interesting point you make about being whether hunting is even supposed to be fair or unfair and I've even experienced that bitter taste you mention but that's what seperates the sportsmen/dogmen from the muppets. I guess we hunt for the times when it isn't fair, when the quarry has the upper hand and the hunter/hound has to prove his worth. You can't go out and set up a fair hunt, it's just not the nature of the game, but as with the bitter taste that is left after a cheated kill, the euphoria of a hard won success is unforgettable. I think you have to experience both to know what to strive for. I guess what I'm trying to say is fair or unfair depends on how the hunter conducts himself...... killing and hunting I guess as you have previously put it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Leveller Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 That was my point , 30 hound for no reason other than sport is fine but a Lurcher isnt Honestly I'm banging my head against a wall here I can see..................................................... I love working Lurchers I own two I have nothing whatsoever against anybody working them to whatever quarry they like so stop trying to twist it around and make me look anti-Lurcher for fucks sake! What I am deadly against is some nobba entering the countryside with a dog and killing whatever the hell they want for no reason whatsoever! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Richie10 345 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Hmmm I have no idea what this is all about... Fox hunting, a few hounds they chase the scent a few people follow on horse back, they catch it or it gets away. Catching foxes with lurchers, a dog or two, chasing a fox they catch it or it gets away. Have I got it? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Well what reason does the hunt have to kill foxes? Because they choose to most of the time not because they have to Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 30, 2012 Report Share Posted August 30, 2012 Sort of Richie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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