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[Millet 4,497]

I know it don't make much difference but he was killing feral's for fun and took the odd bite and scratch and it was no accident slipping him on fox in my eye's he was ready and more than capable.. he chased many but missed them through terrain and hedge's..he also ragged several dead one's from the net's that the terrier's had bolted but he still bottled it on the real deal out in the field alone..like i say he did click in the end but then again i would not of classed him as a 100% foxing lurcher anyway..but who know's what could of happened if i had waited a bit longer..and that is my point really he probably was not ready and i started him too early at 16mth..

[South hams hunter 8,922]

How olds the pup houst?

 

Hedz I think a lot of people consider 'doing a fox' to be a lot of different things and I don't think millet from the types of posts I've seen( feel free to correct me millet) is a foxing man but more of a rabbiter that took the foxes that popped up. So from my experience millet would give the dog more leeway than an out and out foxer as he wouldn't be concerned by it like others who were out purely for fox. For example I want a fox dog, if it ain't much cop behind a harr and have to run 10 to get when then so be it but I would not run 10 foxes to get one.

 

It's all done to personal preference and attitude aswell as experience, as a rule rabbit men keep the best rabbit dogs and so on so forth but there's always the jack of all master of no e dogs tht will catch a bunny, Lamped hare, bowl over the odd fox and even perhaps take a few deer. To me this is a more useful dog to keep for the average man but not very good if your out for one thing most nights. Either way most people are happy with what they got.

 

Sorry for the rambling, shh

[hedz31 1,308]

How olds the pup houst?

 

Hedz I think a lot of people consider 'doing a fox' to be a lot of different things and I don't think millet from the types of posts I've seen( feel free to correct me millet) is a foxing man but more of a rabbiter that took the foxes that popped up. So from my experience millet would give the dog more leeway than an out and out foxer as he wouldn't be concerned by it like others who were out purely for fox. For example I want a fox dog, if it ain't much cop behind a harr and have to run 10 to get when then so be it but I would not run 10 foxes to get one.

 

It's all done to personal preference and attitude aswell as experience, as a rule rabbit men keep the best rabbit dogs and so on so forth but there's always the jack of all master of no e dogs tht will catch a bunny, Lamped hare, bowl over the odd fox and even perhaps take a few deer. To me this is a more useful dog to keep for the average man but not very good if your out for one thing most nights. Either way most people are happy with what they got.

 

Sorry for the rambling, shh

I agree

[hedz31 1,308]

I know it don't make much difference but he was killing feral's for fun and took the odd bite and scratch and it was no accident slipping him on fox in my eye's he was ready and more than capable.. he chased many but missed them through terrain and hedge's..he also ragged several dead one's from the net's that the terrier's had bolted but he still bottled it on the real deal out in the field alone..like i say he did click in the end but then again i would not of classed him as a 100% foxing lurcher anyway..but who know's what could of happened if i had waited a bit longer..and that is my point really he probably was not ready and i started him too early at 16mth..

Just bad luck really then mate from what ye say i think do ye think it may of been different if he was ran doubled first time with an older dog ? was he a snakehead type ?

[Millet 4,497]

I dare say he would of been better doubled to start with but i will never know..he had no bull in him and he will of bottled it on more than what he caught..but when he felt like catching them he done quite easily.. ..i could tell when he was going to bottle it because he ran slow and when he did get on the one's he did not want he would run them with his head up just sticking behind them till they made cover..he never pulled up on them but ran them in this manner till they hit cover..it was pretty frustrating at time's but that's dog's for you.. .i know it's not a lot but he managed about 40 in his time some doubled up some not but it would of been a hell of a lot more if he bagged everyone he chased..

[houstyify 22]

How olds the pup houst?

 

Hedz I think a lot of people consider 'doing a fox' to be a lot of different things and I don't think millet from the types of posts I've seen( feel free to correct me millet) is a foxing man but more of a rabbiter that took the foxes that popped up. So from my experience millet would give the dog more leeway than an out and out foxer as he wouldn't be concerned by it like others who were out purely for fox. For example I want a fox dog, if it ain't much cop behind a harr and have to run 10 to get when then so be it but I would not run 10 foxes to get one.

 

It's all done to personal preference and attitude aswell as experience, as a rule rabbit men keep the best rabbit dogs and so on so forth but there's always the jack of all master of no e dogs tht will catch a bunny, Lamped hare, bowl over the odd fox and even perhaps take a few deer. To me this is a more useful dog to keep for the average man but not very good if your out for one thing most nights. Either way most people are happy with what they got.

 

Sorry for the rambling, shh

not really sure tbh. roughly 4-5month mayb? shes' keen enough when she gets into a field like.

[South hams hunter 8,922]

Hedz personally I'd rather all dogs did at least a few double, especially snake heads. Found that cues that won't do it alone can be good o enter a pup just before he does it alone as they get the confidence or shown the should grab the fox before doing it alone.

 

I've found that some dogs, again especially the more traditional type will never grab a fox alone til they've be shown its allowed as there's no natural enemity and the scent puts them off so they but think its a game, then they grab it playing and it bite them they don't know what to do because if they were to grab (playing) an adult dog and it shown aggression they would have to fight or back down.

 

What people forget is everydog is different an so is Everyman behind the dogs so you sometimes have to learn the hard way by accidentally causing a few to spew but it can be more beneficial than being told that'll make the dog spew.

 

Quick example of personal experience, bitch I had I started doubled up at about 15 months as it fell on July. The bitch shown great potential plowing into probably 30-40 foxes doubled up ( may not seem a lot but she was part of a team of dogs so she didn't get ad many as if she was run alone ) in a season. The last fox of the season she was ran with a new lads dog, a dog claimed I be single handed an when caught he just shook the ass, causing the 23 tts bitch of 35lbs to be punished a lot more than she should of been as she couldnt get into any position to kill or restrain the fox as the dog of more than double her size was shaking it by the ass causing her to take all the bites and the bites to be worse due to be dragged across her face. Anyway she was off for the last few weeks of the season.

 

The start of the next season we struggled to get anything really as a wet summer had caused good feeding so they wouldn't come into the call. We decided that after how she had performed she should be ready to start single ( having forgot the last fox ), the first fox she had the chance to run was around October, it was on field and we sent the bitch down. She ran it into the hedge without a strike or even lowering her head, she cod have caught it. We then continued to run her doubled up and he piled into everyone, she has taken half grown cubs single but even to this day I alone she will strike it an see how it reacts, if he can overpower it quickly ( I suppose based on how he judges there size) she will do them yet if she strikes and they seem to big she will allow them to run on but she will take them doubled. Moral - woul she have taken them if she was started alone earlier? Would she have done them if she had started the next season on cubs? Would she have done them if the cut hadn't got her chinned? No one will ever know but I do know she is a great dog to start a pup with as she will quickly restrain/ kill a fox before there's to much damage done to either dog.

 

You'll never know if a dog ever would have done them unless they do them. Many men come up with many excuses but until they do every one they can catch even when the chips are down they aren't single handed dogs in my eyes but that don't mean they can't play a part of a team. Yes there's the purists and I find myself to be one nowadays that 1 dog 1 do and if it doesn't do it I wouldn't kennel it but then if your starting out lads don't be ashamed to own a dog that will only do them in company with a mates dog just make sure you try and improve your standard with every dog you own, never go back. Don't be ashamed of what your dog doesn't do, be proud of what it does! Don't hide behind smoke and mirrors be straight an honest but never believe a word of what you hear and only half of what you see and then you'll be alright in this game!

 

[South hams hunter 8,922]

How olds the pup houst?

 

Hedz I think a lot of people consider 'doing a fox' to be a lot of different things and I don't think millet from the types of posts I've seen( feel free to correct me millet) is a foxing man but more of a rabbiter that took the foxes that popped up. So from my experience millet would give the dog more leeway than an out and out foxer as he wouldn't be concerned by it like others who were out purely for fox. For example I want a fox dog, if it ain't much cop behind a harr and have to run 10 to get when then so be it but I would not run 10 foxes to get one.

 

It's all done to personal preference and attitude aswell as experience, as a rule rabbit men keep the best rabbit dogs and so on so forth but there's always the jack of all master of no e dogs tht will catch a bunny, Lamped hare, bowl over the odd fox and even perhaps take a few deer. To me this is a more useful dog to keep for the average man but not very good if your out for one thing most nights. Either way most people are happy with what they got.

 

Sorry for the rambling, shh

not really sure tbh. roughly 4-5month mayb? shes' keen enough when she gets into a field like.

 

I don't mean to sound condescending mate but some of the shittest cuts have seen have seemed keen in the field an the best dogs have not seem interested and then vice versa. In your position keep it on a lead but don't let it ago, if it's mature enough next June/July when it's between 14-17 months try it on a small cub by itself you being as close as you can. Let the the dog catch it then dispatch it yourself as quick as possible, gradually increasing the time as the cubs get older til it's killing them itself around august time.

 

If it don't do them it don't Mate

[houstyify 22]

How olds the pup houst?

 

Hedz I think a lot of people consider 'doing a fox' to be a lot of different things and I don't think millet from the types of posts I've seen( feel free to correct me millet) is a foxing man but more of a rabbiter that took the foxes that popped up. So from my experience millet would give the dog more leeway than an out and out foxer as he wouldn't be concerned by it like others who were out purely for fox. For example I want a fox dog, if it ain't much cop behind a harr and have to run 10 to get when then so be it but I would not run 10 foxes to get one.

 

It's all done to personal preference and attitude aswell as experience, as a rule rabbit men keep the best rabbit dogs and so on so forth but there's always the jack of all master of no e dogs tht will catch a bunny, Lamped hare, bowl over the odd fox and even perhaps take a few deer. To me this is a more useful dog to keep for the average man but not very good if your out for one thing most nights. Either way most people are happy with what they got.

 

Sorry for the rambling, shh

not really sure tbh. roughly 4-5month mayb? shes' keen enough when she gets into a field like.

 

I don't mean to sound condescending mate but some of the shittest cuts have seen have seemed keen in the field an the best dogs have not seem interested and then vice versa. In your position keep it on a lead but don't let it ago, if it's mature enough next June/July when it's between 14-17 months try it on a small cub by itself you being as close as you can. Let the the dog catch it then dispatch it yourself as quick as possible, gradually increasing the time as the cubs get older til it's killing them itself around august time.

 

If it don't do them it don't Mate

yea i know that mate cheers, i wasnt planning on anything bigger than rabbits for a good while anyways, i do keep her on the lead at all times when out and just let her watch the other dogs, but shes' on her back legs dyin to get of like lol

[aaron01 737]

rabbits 12 month slip dog on its own

fox 18 -24 month - let dog watch other dogs and rag dead carcass then slip dog on its own

hare 18-24 month - when dogs really fit slip on its own

simples when you think about it proper

 

all legal in northern ireland

i would give it one maybe two with another dog before tryin it on its own

[aaron01 737]

Hedz personally I'd rather all dogs did at least a few double, especially snake heads. Found that cues that won't do it alone can be good o enter a pup just before he does it alone as they get the confidence or shown the should grab the fox before doing it alone.

 

I've found that some dogs, again especially the more traditional type will never grab a fox alone til they've be shown its allowed as there's no natural enemity and the scent puts them off so they but think its a game, then they grab it playing and it bite them they don't know what to do because if they were to grab (playing) an adult dog and it shown aggression they would have to fight or back down.

 

What people forget is everydog is different an so is Everyman behind the dogs so you sometimes have to learn the hard way by accidentally causing a few to spew but it can be more beneficial than being told that'll make the dog spew.

 

Quick example of personal experience, bitch I had I started doubled up at about 15 months as it fell on July. The bitch shown great potential plowing into probably 30-40 foxes doubled up ( may not seem a lot but she was part of a team of dogs so she didn't get ad many as if she was run alone ) in a season. The last fox of the season she was ran with a new lads dog, a dog claimed I be single handed an when caught he just shook the ass, causing the 23 tts bitch of 35lbs to be punished a lot more than she should of been as she couldnt get into any position to kill or restrain the fox as the dog of more than double her size was shaking it by the ass causing her to take all the bites and the bites to be worse due to be dragged across her face. Anyway she was off for the last few weeks of the season.

 

The start of the next season we struggled to get anything really as a wet summer had caused good feeding so they wouldn't come into the call. We decided that after how she had performed she should be ready to start single ( having forgot the last fox ), the first fox she had the chance to run was around October, it was on field and we sent the bitch down. She ran it into the hedge without a strike or even lowering her head, she cod have caught it. We then continued to run her doubled up and he piled into everyone, she has taken half grown cubs single but even to this day I alone she will strike it an see how it reacts, if he can overpower it quickly ( I suppose based on how he judges there size) she will do them yet if she strikes and they seem to big she will allow them to run on but she will take them doubled. Moral - woul she have taken them if she was started alone earlier? Would she have done them if she had started the next season on cubs? Would she have done them if the cut hadn't got her chinned? No one will ever know but I do know she is a great dog to start a pup with as she will quickly restrain/ kill a fox before there's to much damage done to either dog.

 

You'll never know if a dog ever would have done them unless they do them. Many men come up with many excuses but until they do every one they can catch even when the chips are down they aren't single handed dogs in my eyes but that don't mean they can't play a part of a team. Yes there's the purists and I find myself to be one nowadays that 1 dog 1 do and if it doesn't do it I wouldn't kennel it but then if your starting out lads don't be ashamed to own a dog that will only do them in company with a mates dog just make sure you try and improve your standard with every dog you own, never go back. Don't be ashamed of what your dog doesn't do, be proud of what it does! Don't hide behind smoke and mirrors be straight an honest but never believe a word of what you hear and only half of what you see and then you'll be alright in this game!

30 -40 seems an awful lot to me you dont want the dog starting to rely on another dog not arguein just my opinion

[Chid 6,540]

rabbits 12 month slip dog on its own

fox 18 -24 month - let dog watch other dogs and rag dead carcass then slip dog on its own

hare 18-24 month - when dogs really fit slip on its own

simples when you think about it proper

 

all legal in northern ireland

i would give it one maybe two with another dog before tryin it on its own

every body as there own way ,

[Guest long-tail]

from what i have experianced from an 11 month old bitch in the past i absolutely do not believe any dog needs to be shown how to take quarry what ever it might be,and at times a dog not designed for certaim things may well open your eyes at times if your lucky enough to witness it

[aaron01 737]

from what i have experianced from an 11 month old bitch in the past i absolutely do not believe any dog needs to be shown how to take quarry what ever it might be,and at times a dog not designed for certaim things may well open your eyes at times if your lucky enough to witness it

thats true some dogs are natural workers the hardest part with this type is holding them back and not overmatching them to soon

[Millet 4,497]

Hedz personally I'd rather all dogs did at least a few double, especially snake heads. Found that cues that won't do it alone can be good o enter a pup just before he does it alone as they get the confidence or shown the should grab the fox before doing it alone.

 

I've found that some dogs, again especially the more traditional type will never grab a fox alone til they've be shown its allowed as there's no natural enemity and the scent puts them off so they but think its a game, then they grab it playing and it bite them they don't know what to do because if they were to grab (playing) an adult dog and it shown aggression they would have to fight or back down.

 

What people forget is everydog is different an so is Everyman behind the dogs so you sometimes have to learn the hard way by accidentally causing a few to spew but it can be more beneficial than being told that'll make the dog spew.

 

Quick example of personal experience, bitch I had I started doubled up at about 15 months as it fell on July. The bitch shown great potential plowing into probably 30-40 foxes doubled up ( may not seem a lot but she was part of a team of dogs so she didn't get ad many as if she was run alone ) in a season. The last fox of the season she was ran with a new lads dog, a dog claimed I be single handed an when caught he just shook the ass, causing the 23 tts bitch of 35lbs to be punished a lot more than she should of been as she couldnt get into any position to kill or restrain the fox as the dog of more than double her size was shaking it by the ass causing her to take all the bites and the bites to be worse due to be dragged across her face. Anyway she was off for the last few weeks of the season.

 

The start of the next season we struggled to get anything really as a wet summer had caused good feeding so they wouldn't come into the call. We decided that after how she had performed she should be ready to start single ( having forgot the last fox ), the first fox she had the chance to run was around October, it was on field and we sent the bitch down. She ran it into the hedge without a strike or even lowering her head, she cod have caught it. We then continued to run her doubled up and he piled into everyone, she has taken half grown cubs single but even to this day I alone she will strike it an see how it reacts, if he can overpower it quickly ( I suppose based on how he judges there size) she will do them yet if she strikes and they seem to big she will allow them to run on but she will take them doubled. Moral - woul she have taken them if she was started alone earlier? Would she have done them if she had started the next season on cubs? Would she have done them if the cut hadn't got her chinned? No one will ever know but I do know she is a great dog to start a pup with as she will quickly restrain/ kill a fox before there's to much damage done to either dog.

 

You'll never know if a dog ever would have done them unless they do them. Many men come up with many excuses but until they do every one they can catch even when the chips are down they aren't single handed dogs in my eyes but that don't mean they can't play a part of a team. Yes there's the purists and I find myself to be one nowadays that 1 dog 1 do and if it doesn't do it I wouldn't kennel it but then if your starting out lads don't be ashamed to own a dog that will only do them in company with a mates dog just make sure you try and improve your standard with every dog you own, never go back. Don't be ashamed of what your dog doesn't do, be proud of what it does! Don't hide behind smoke and mirrors be straight an honest but never believe a word of what you hear and only half of what you see and then you'll be alright in this game!

I like someone with a bit of common sense but i think you have a lot..

Edited August 25, 2012 by Millet