blood line preferences

[bobby blackheart 1,209]

coonboy even the best names produce shit now and again-people seem to think they can pay and have the best-when money comes into it-standards drop and thats a fact-all THE BEST WORKING BLOOD is kept between a select few-and they aint accessible for every man-the saying goes you pays your money you takes your chance-start off with worker to worker and then imho i think its all down to how you -yourself bring that dog on-a good dog can be ruined in the wrong hands no matter how big the name is.atb bobby

[U.L.D.A 289]

Coonboy this is what I mean get the 8 seasons under his belt yes but this is what im saying imo that % what you want to look at is the working ability the other 20% the type the coat the feet the head and the brain to stay to dug and your saying about genorations before thats my point exactly the sire wouldnt have shit blood in him if they where breed right then youll be using solid working blood

[coonboy 160]

Nice one udla n bb

[marshman 7,757]

I've know of a lot of terrier men that have used certain dogs of a certain line to go over there bitches , even though the dogs have had maybe only a few good seasons at most under their belt. Just because the dog has a lot of good breeding all the way through their line. I'm not saying it's wrong or right! But a lot of men will say only use a dog that's been dug too for a lot of seasons, but then to go and use a dog that's of a certain line! Jmho

 

[dillydog 8,463]

To many people follow just the dog, the bitch passes on ALL the mitochondrial DNA. I won't pretend to know the ins and outs of genetics but IMO if your bitches are good your dogs will follow. A dog usually has more gears than a bitch, so if your bitch performs in the field as good as your dogs your on the right track.

There has IMO always seemed to be a lot of "lines" or families of terriers that produce good dogs but the bitches always lack that vavavoom.

Edited August 26, 2012 by dillydog

[Bootsha 1,306]

I agree, a very good working bitch is worth her weight in gold, not just for the actuall day to day use as a worker, but with the possibillity of using her as a brood should she consistently perform to a high level for a good number of seasons.

 

The same rule of thumb should be applied to all potential sires or dams to future litters, they should have consistently performed very well for a number of seasons (at least 5 ideally), before even being considered for use in breeding a litter, regardless of name, type, lines etc etc etc, working abillity is the number 1 quality to be looked for in potential breeding animals.

 

I think this maxim is applicable to all and every breed of working dog, terriers, lurchers, gundogs, sheepdogs, hounds the whole spectrum. But this is only my humble opinion and i realise that there will be other opinions on the matter.

 

Regards

 

B

[timmy k 590]

I agree to some extent on testing the bitch for a good few seasons, but if you give a bitch 5seasons of proper graft the bitch will be 7 years old, is that not a bit old for a bitches first litter, and then you have another problem in which if all the pups turn good and you want to do a repeat mating, by the time the pups have proved themselves by your time scale the original bitch will be 14. also if a bitch is good enough their is always a risk that the bitch might not survive till the next season such is the risk of terrier work. one thing I will say on the price of these big named terriers if they do fail at earthwork what else is left but showing and thats perhaps one reason that theirs so much shite prancing around shows to much money invested to just let go of the useless b*****d.

[Waz 4,252]

I agree to some extent on testing the bitch for a good few seasons, but if you give a bitch 5seasons of proper graft the bitch will be 7 years old, is that not a bit old for a bitches first litter, and then you have another problem in which if all the pups turn good and you want to do a repeat mating, by the time the pups have proved themselves by your time scale the original bitch will be 14. also if a bitch is good enough their is always a risk that the bitch might not survive till the next season such is the risk of terrier work. one thing I will say on the price of these big named terriers if they do fail at earthwork what else is left but showing and thats perhaps one reason that theirs so much shite prancing around shows to much money invested to just let go of the useless b*****d.

 

I think I read somewhere that N.S. would wait till a terrier was 7 before he'd breed. Wondering if he had the luxury of being able to keep plenty of terriers around him to be able to wait.

 

Ive only got a small kennel and taking into account - bad luck, standards, accidents & geography, I was considering breeding of a 4 year old bitch. But after kindly being gifted a terrier and also possibly another (fingers tightly crossed) I'll give her another season or 2's work before considering.

 

Dams have as much as a part in it all as sires IMO.

[TheDirtyDawg 58]

breeding a bitch at 7 for her first litter wouldnt be the best advice 3 or 4 would be better age and as long as the bitch is well tested in all aspects of terrier work. all this big name shit is nonsence there are alot of true terrier men that keep there own stuff test very hard cull harder and breed from the best they have and have no need to buy terriers for ridiculous prices and names.aswell as some of the men denying that they have introduced bull,wheten or any other outside blood into there line so what if they have if it makes a steadier dog more suited to the working mans needs then i would add poodle if i thought that it was going to add the right blood and traits i need. if a breeder is breeding the right way and true to themselves there should be no need to breed outside blood from different breeds into a dog.but alot of terrier men with big names would not introduce dogs from another big name into there line to the detrament to there own line as there is only so much inbreeding you can do before outside blood is needed.worker to worker is the best no matter what the type as long as you know the lines ie the traits and flaws of the dogs you are using and there parents and grand parents before them.any dog man will tell the good things about his dog but great terrier man will tell you its flaws.

[U.L.D.A 289]

 

 

Dirty your on it like a car bonnet hit the nail on the head im talking about the bitches here to like no point trying to get a good dog if you dont have a bitch to match

[harvey d 43]

a good breeding bitch is worth it's weight in gold, you wont know untill you breed her, what i would say is dont believe all you here and read about special dogs and lines, get out and do you're own thing it's a long road, good luck

[Dirtworm 18]

Bloodlines are just a blueprint or map that can be referenced when one has good or bad working dog. The best dogs out there 99% of us don't know about. Best sign of a dog first is watching it's ass go in a hole and staying there till dug to, or best ratter etc. Depends on ones personal preference.

 

There is good and bad in every bloodline. We also should keep in mind prepotent dogs as well. Some dogs really are able to pass on their stuff, others are great individuals and produce crap.

 

Have a pat/jack cross from inbred working lines on top and bottom. If he works out, great. If not, oh well.

 

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