Strictly Rabbiting

[Guest born to run1083]

i'm no amazing trainer either (my other bitch is a nutter by comparison) but it's not hard to train a dog what to chase, it's not even that hard to teach them when to chase certain things, there are many examples of this all through the working dog world but to say a dog has no or less drive because it's been trained to a specific task is obviously nonsense, there hasn't been anyone disagree with my gundog or terrier examples which to be honest are nothing more than the required norm in their respective disciplines.

I know it's not hard to train a dog but with all his talking of taking deer pre ban I didn't read that he just used his as a rabbit dog so it's nothing special at all but like Moscow had it bang on I thought he was meaning a dog already entered to that quarry and could call it off that's what my post was about. these dogs how ever you dress it up do lack heart

[birddog 1,354]

i'm no amazing trainer either (my other bitch is a nutter by comparison) but it's not hard to train a dog what to chase, it's not even that hard to teach them when to chase certain things, there are many examples of this all through the working dog world but to say a dog has no or less drive because it's been trained to a specific task is obviously nonsense, there hasn't been anyone disagree with my gundog or terrier examples which to be honest are nothing more than the required norm in their respective disciplines.

I know it's not hard to train a dog but with all his talking of taking deer pre ban I didn't read that he just used his as a rabbit dog so it's nothing special at all but like Moscow had it bang on I thought he was meaning a dog already entered to that quarry and could call it off that's what my post was about. these dogs how ever you dress it up do lack heart

a terrier that sticks to a fox wet and cold underground in pitch darkness for maybe a six hour dig but doesn't riot on rabbit lacks heart ? a lurcher that takes 30 arable rabbits in a session lacks heart because it's been trained not to chase deer lacks heart ? a spaniel torn ears and stung eyes after maybe 8 hours beating going through brambles and nettles lacks heart because it's been trained to drop to shot or flush ? i suppose a big untrained dog that nails a deer bounced off a fence after a thirty second chase has heart then ?

[Guest born to run1083]

Your not catching what I'm trying to say bird dog if you've entered the dog to deer for example it gives chase mid course you call it of mid chase that dog lacks heart. Don't start acting a prick making out like I'm saying a dog just for rabbiting lacks heart I'm not saying that what I'm saying is if you can call your rabbiting dog of a rabbit mid chase it does lack heart end of. Fair enough I've miss read the op post but I've re posted to Clarrify and your still off blabbering on about specialised dogs only doing one quarry. Yes I know there's dogs and even owners who do just one quarry I'm not saying those dogs lack any form of heart but as I said over again in this post so hopefully it will sink in to what I'm trying to explain is if your said rabbiting dog or deer dog or mixed quarry dog pulls of it's quarry which it's been entered to does lack heart. Comprenday

[Giro 2,648]

I cant even train one to nail one, bouncing off a fence :laugh:

[keepitcovert 842]

Prey drive is always a question , does your dog lack it or have it in abundance, do you really need that much, if you do why not run pure greys they have it, but by law need to be muzzled for obvious reasons, intense prey drive can be a costly game vet bills public liability the list is endless, usually not making old bones. Now why is a guy taking stick because he wants a pure rabbiting dog, if you can recall your dog off quarry then well done, if thats a result of good training then fair play.So why are there so many unbelievers on this site, if my dogs are within 30 feet of me when something starts to run then i can call them off any more than that and selective deafness kicks in, prey drive and working ability [brains] should not be confused. YIS KIC.

[South hams hunter 8,922]

KIC spot on and same here with all the dogs I've had that werent bull blooded. Unless they had a lead on they wouldn't stop.

 

Leveller well done on good training and you must either see a lot of deer or know a deer farmer?

[wi11ow 2,657]

spot on if shes just your rabbiting dog handy to have dogs like that sometimes

[Guest Leveller]

what I'm saying is if you can call your rabbiting dog of a rabbit mid chase it does lack heart end of.

 

No I don't believe this, I firmly believe if you can call your entered dog of it's specialized quarry you have that dog under control that's all. If it's 100% fit and pulls up whilst running without any instruction then I'd have to question prey drive/heart/mettle whatever you want to call it. A dog should want what's in front of it by hook or crook but if I give an instruction it should do what I say if this wasn't the case instead of lurchers we'd all be keeping Alantes.

[Guest Moscow]

Seems to be reference to fence bouncing in this topic, any dog which waits for fence bouncer's and doesnt try to get the job done before reaching a fence is pushing what its running and a poor quallity dog with questionable prey drive!

[freelance 448]

Seems to be reference to fence bouncing in this topic, any dog which waits for fence bouncer's and doesnt try to get the job done before reaching a fence is pushing what its running and a poor quallity dog with questionable prey drive!

Fully agree with what your saying moscow, however when you could legally run them preban. And am talking reds only, sometimes it would take a fence or gutter ect to stop them . And leveller i do agree you can train a dog to come off stuff as i could call my old hancock bitch off rabbits, but i do think it would depend on the breed of dog. Pastorial types and other more easily trained types yes, however in the 90,s i ran a minshaw dog and know way would you of called the dog off deer once slipped and if i could of i would of questioned his preydrive and ability. Also leveller you say you dont subscribe to the idea of doubling dogs up preban on deer, whilst running or entering a dog to reds you needed two most times to get the job done and show a sapling that such big critters are fair game . Also is your kelpie runner a straight half cross ? looks a nice stamp Cheers Atb

[Guest Moscow]

Freelance there is a world of difference between a dog pushing say a roe to the fence and a dog trying to stop a red then it coming to a conclusion near a fence

[chartpolski 23,485]

Prey drive is always a question , does your dog lack it or have it in abundance, do you really need that much, if you do why not run pure greys they have it, but by law need to be muzzled for obvious reasons, intense prey drive can be a costly game vet bills public liability the list is endless, usually not making old bones. Now why is a guy taking stick because he wants a pure rabbiting dog, if you can recall your dog off quarry then well done, if thats a result of good training then fair play.So why are there so many unbelievers on this site, if my dogs are within 30 feet of me when something starts to run then i can call them off any more than that and selective deafness kicks in, prey drive and working ability [brains] should not be confused. YIS KIC.

 

Greyhounds need to be muzzled by law ??? Are you sure ? I haven't heard of that law, and an awful lot of Greyhound owners up here must be breaking the law, if thats true

 

Cheers.

[freelance 448]

Freelance there is a world of difference between a dog pushing say a roe to the fence and a dog trying to stop a red then it coming to a conclusion near a fence

If a dogs got to push a roe and fence bounce it, it aint got the minerals simples Atb

[birddog 1,354]

Your not catching what I'm trying to say bird dog if you've entered the dog to deer for example it gives chase mid course you call it of mid chase that dog lacks heart. Don't start acting a prick making out like I'm saying a dog just for rabbiting lacks heart I'm not saying that what I'm saying is if you can call your rabbiting dog of a rabbit mid chase it does lack heart end of. Fair enough I've miss read the op post but I've re posted to Clarrify and your still off blabbering on about specialised dogs only doing one quarry. Yes I know there's dogs and even owners who do just one quarry I'm not saying those dogs lack any form of heart but as I said over again in this post so hopefully it will sink in to what I'm trying to explain is if your said rabbiting dog or deer dog or mixed quarry dog pulls of it's quarry which it's been entered to does lack heart. Comprenday

i'm not trying to be a prick, my bitch isn't a one species specialist but i have spent the last 4 1/2 years training her and it's ongoing, there seems to be a few on here who agree that it's training and not lack of heart. i kinda understand what your saying about a dog entered to quarry but for me it's still down to training. i certainly wouldn't argue with a police dog thats been entered to quarry (ie me) but it's handler has the ability to control it and call it off or send it on and not many of these feckers lack heart. like i said earlier there are loads of examples throughout the working dog world of trained dogs and controlability

[Guest Leveller]

Also leveller you say you dont subscribe to the idea of doubling dogs up preban on deer, whilst running or entering a dog to reds you needed two most times to get the job done and show a sapling that such big critters are fair game . Also is your kelpie runner a straight half cross ? looks a nice stamp Cheers Atb

 

I believe the management of the red deer herds are best left to the Staghounds and would be a bit of a hypocrite if I said anything else lol. I've never ran deer since the ban so it's not something I can really comment