South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 As I said Paulus I'm going on what I've seen, the ones I've seen took to much damage to do them nightly for my liking as they'd always be sore the next night. May have jut been them. Also your bitch looks of a good strong stamp where as these where all like whippets with larger heads on them Quote Link to post
troter58 1,711 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Only a few but they take to much damage I found to do the every night like a good bull/grey. The problem I found is that because of there size and heart it is closer to a fight. A good bull/grey of 60 plus pounds can do it in a few shakes or turn it over and bite through the rib cage where as the bull/whips I've seen where more like 30 maybe 35 pound so after one fix where ready for home due to the damage. I suppose it depends really, if you want the dog to kill foxes get a bull/grey. Get a bull/whip and let them catch the fox and kill it with a blade an they'd be ok but don't really think its a good idea to expect them to do '3-4 foxes a week let alone a night unless you want to step in. I know you may get the ones that can kill but I found them to be glutens for punishment and it being kinder to step in and help them. If I was to get a bull/whip I'd use it for rabbit and take the odd fox, well any fox I seen and try and be quick to help it so as it didn't take to much damage but I don't think I'd use it for calling foxes night after night. Just my opinion, people may disagree but hey that's the Internet for you right mate if you had to help it out it was not a fox dog so should have not been run at them and a good whippet bull will sort a red un out in good time .atb Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 As I said Paulus I'm going on what I've seen, the ones I've seen took to much damage to do them nightly for my liking as they'd always be sore the next night. May have jut been them. Also your bitch looks of a good strong stamp where as these where all like whippets with larger heads on them shes old and fat now and getting more tumors as time goes by, but she was a good bitch in her day, i would have to agree they can be dog aggresive if not kept in check, the same as any other bull cross, Quote Link to post
downsouth 7,314 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 (edited) Only a few but they take to much damage I found to do the every night like a good bull/grey. The problem I found is that because of there size and heart it is closer to a fight. A good bull/grey of 60 plus pounds can do it in a few shakes or turn it over and bite through the rib cage where as the bull/whips I've seen where more like 30 maybe 35 pound so after one fix where ready for home due to the damage. I suppose it depends really, if you want the dog to kill foxes get a bull/grey. Get a bull/whip and let them catch the fox and kill it with a blade an they'd be ok but don't really think its a good idea to expect them to do '3-4 foxes a week let alone a night unless you want to step in. I know you may get the ones that can kill but I found them to be glutens for punishment and it being kinder to step in and help them. If I was to get a bull/whip I'd use it for rabbit and take the odd fox, well any fox I seen and try and be quick to help it so as it didn't take to much damage but I don't think I'd use it for calling foxes night after night. Just my opinion, people may disagree but hey that's the Internet for you right mate if you had to help it out it was not a fox dog so should have not been run at them and a good whippet bull will sort a red un out in good time .atb Ive seen a few in action and even bred a litter of genuine 1st crosses myself and have never seen one that could kill foxes cleanly (regularly) Edited August 25, 2012 by downsouth Quote Link to post
troter58 1,711 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Only a few but they take to much damage I found to do the every night like a good bull/grey. The problem I found is that because of there size and heart it is closer to a fight. A good bull/grey of 60 plus pounds can do it in a few shakes or turn it over and bite through the rib cage where as the bull/whips I've seen where more like 30 maybe 35 pound so after one fix where ready for home due to the damage. I suppose it depends really, if you want the dog to kill foxes get a bull/grey. Get a bull/whip and let them catch the fox and kill it with a blade an they'd be ok but don't really think its a good idea to expect them to do '3-4 foxes a week let alone a night unless you want to step in. I know you may get the ones that can kill but I found them to be glutens for punishment and it being kinder to step in and help them. If I was to get a bull/whip I'd use it for rabbit and take the odd fox, well any fox I seen and try and be quick to help it so as it didn't take to much damage but I don't think I'd use it for calling foxes night after night. Just my opinion, people may disagree but hey that's the Internet for you right mate if you had to help it out it was not a fox dog so should have not been run at them and a good whippet bull will sort a red un out in good time .atb Ive seen a few in action and even bred a litter of genuine 1st crosses myself and have never seen one that could kill foxes cleanly (regularly) i must have had a few freaks then because the ones i have owned and ran with did the job atb 1 Quote Link to post
Rabbiting man 1,191 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 Only a few but they take to much damage I found to do the every night like a good bull/grey. The problem I found is that because of there size and heart it is closer to a fight. A good bull/grey of 60 plus pounds can do it in a few shakes or turn it over and bite through the rib cage where as the bull/whips I've seen where more like 30 maybe 35 pound so after one fix where ready for home due to the damage. I suppose it depends really, if you want the dog to kill foxes get a bull/grey. Get a bull/whip and let them catch the fox and kill it with a blade an they'd be ok but don't really think its a good idea to expect them to do '3-4 foxes a week let alone a night unless you want to step in. I know you may get the ones that can kill but I found them to be glutens for punishment and it being kinder to step in and help them. If I was to get a bull/whip I'd use it for rabbit and take the odd fox, well any fox I seen and try and be quick to help it so as it didn't take to much damage but I don't think I'd use it for calling foxes night after night. Just my opinion, people may disagree but hey that's the Internet for you right mate if you had to help it out it was not a fox dog so should have not been run at them and a good whippet bull will sort a red un out in good time .atb Troter58 i'm with you on this one. a lot of bull/greyhounds i've seen seemed to take the fight to the fox than getting the job done. Quote Link to post
fay 75 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 very good post i have a whippetxgrey i was tinkn about puting a bull across her as a few people i no said they would like a pup but would this b to much bull in the pups? Quote Link to post
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 25, 2012 Report Share Posted August 25, 2012 They had no issue killing Lads don't get me wrong on that but they just took to much punishment for my liking to do them day in day out. Is tht what you where saying down south? Quote Link to post
toby63 1,236 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 bull whippets or with a bit of grey in them are very capable of doin fox single handed (pre ban of coarse). 1 Quote Link to post
jezza 126 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 (edited) good rabbit/fox dogs but lack endurance and leg for other things, imo atb Edited August 26, 2012 by jezza Quote Link to post
jezza 126 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 very good post i have a whippetxgrey i was tinkn about puting a bull across her as a few people i no said they would like a pup but would this b to much bull in the pups? depends what job you will be using it for pal Quote Link to post
derbylad1 293 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 I've seen a few bull/whippets do their stuff and i love the way they work....100% all the time. Non stop going for it. Moll on here has a 1st cross, its like a little tank and wont stop at anything. Sometimes not for her own ( i think Moll might add to this)....lol And my mate(he is on here) has one as well, (mainly whippet with some bull in there). Again totally comitted at all times and will never stop. The only time i've seen that dog slow up, when it had a big stick run into hip last season and i still reckon he would have carried on. Both these dogs are a dream to watch, sometimes a little hot headed, but still great to see work. I wouldn't own one, i dont have enough patience to keep control of their obbedience and keep them in check. Quote Link to post
huntmad. 67 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Do you think it would make much difference of it was a none coursing whippet in the mix as the generally are bigger dogs instead of a little 18-19 inch thing Quote Link to post
huntmad. 67 Posted August 26, 2012 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 Or is that what u guys use to put over them anyway like I say I'm not sure on the cross still learning about it Cheers Quote Link to post
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted August 26, 2012 Report Share Posted August 26, 2012 If I was to breed a litter I would use a coursing whippet, proven to do its job to a well bred bull also doing the task 1 Quote Link to post
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