Collie brains better than speed

[Robert morrison 15]

forget about percentages and bag sizes, on any particular day or night, just get out run whatever dogs youve got on whatever land is available to you and most importantly enjoy it. To much time spent trying to bring science and disection into it.

Great answer mate lol

[derbylad1 293]

Coco (megs daughter and Lec litter sister)

[KittleRox 2,147]

another thing worth considering though lads is how tough the dog is and how prone the dog is or isn,t prone to injurys which in my mind is at the top of the list of attributes, something which hasn,t been mentioned much on this thread, ok maybe the threads meant to be about foregoing brains for speed or vice versa but the difference between lets say a greyhoundy type of collie x and a less sighthoundy type the constitution of the dog can and will have an effect on how the dog will stand up to be run over rough ground consistantly, you don,t need a flying machine to catch bunnys regularly so to my mind its better to have a more robust type dog and so therefore losing a bit pace and by consequence you get a little more brain as well,

 

all this said if I were to advise a young lad or lass on the type of x to go for being his/her first lurcher I would always recommend a 3/4 bred, far too easy for a young lad or lass to feck a more collie % type and become soured with the game, atb

[skycat 6,173]

I am hoping that this union from Sunday will bring me what I want ... Keep the brains Nd add a little more speed and wind .......

 

 

How much Saluki in the dog Socks? What's his breeding? Or is he lurcher to lurcher bred for years?

[Sirius 1,391]

Well I dont want an argument either, but rabbits are not easy or slow thats for sure (well not down here in the south) and without doubt a dog needs pace to be able to catch them consistantly over many seasons.

Otherwise we would be all running reverse 3/4 breds, which will not cut the mustard unless you have a freak.

Well I have to disagree, not sure if I have a freak or not but my reverse 3/4 bred caught consistently last season, she infact caught as many bunnys last season as a fast decent dog round these parts could probably bag maybe only her second season but I can,t see any reason why she won,t continue to do so discounting injury, which brings me to my next point and correct me if you think I,m wrong but isn,t a more sighthoundy type more likely to be laid up in the kennel with injuries than a more robust less sighthoundy type animal

 

and I,m not sure if it was you or not which wrote a few months back words to the effect that they couldn,t see a reverse 3/4 bred being of any use in the field or words to that affect as I say not sure if it was yourself

 

Look it's just my point of view, and I would think you would struggle with a reverse 3/4 in southern england, and I notice that your geographical location is somewhat differnt to my own, which could be food for thought

I am a big fan of robust lurcher types, but you need both good pace and a good amount of intelligence to be a a useful dog on the rabbits, wether its, hills, rough paddocks or flat lands of drilling.

After all a rabbit isnt an easy quarry as many people will lead you to believe A dog needs enough speed to catch rabbits, and I truly believe that a dog which has more collie/pastoral/herding blood running through its veins than running dog I doubt will fair well on varied land, unless you are lucky, very lucky. As has already been touched on in this thread, there can be a huge variation in which way that will throw with herders x greyhounds.

 

My advice to the orginal poster would be try and get a balance of both, and ideally get a dog from stock where you can see its parents, type, temperment and working ability, sadly when you are purchasing a puppy from a commercial puppy farm you have to for go this privilege, and in my opinion your own conscience has to live with supporting puppy farming

 

My personal taste is a dog that catchs rabbits, and is robust enough not to break on the land I run

 

'It aint all tussock grass down ere, but it sure can help a slower dog'

Edited August 23, 2012 by Sirius

[socks 32,253]

The dog is a line bred saluki grey and has some very famouse coursing dogs in the pedigree and his great grandmother was a waterloo cup winner I have seen the dog work on numerouse occasions and he is top draw ..... Myself and Chalkie watched him retrieve a tracked hare that took over 3 minuets and 5 minuets later the dog was working a warren as if it had been ferreting for years ...........

[skycat 6,173]

Sounds like a good mating. Personally, and obviously I can't speak for all Saluki lurchers of course, I've found that the line bred coursing dogs can turn their paw to many different jobs given the right opportunities, and the right sort of owner.

[KittleRox 2,147]

Well I dont want an argument either, but rabbits are not easy or slow thats for sure (well not down here in the south) and without doubt a dog needs pace to be able to catch them consistantly over many seasons.

Otherwise we would be all running reverse 3/4 breds, which will not cut the mustard unless you have a freak.

Well I have to disagree, not sure if I have a freak or not but my reverse 3/4 bred caught consistently last season, she infact caught as many bunnys last season as a fast decent dog round these parts could probably bag maybe only her second season but I can,t see any reason why she won,t continue to do so discounting injury, which brings me to my next point and correct me if you think I,m wrong but isn,t a more sighthoundy type more likely to be laid up in the kennel with injuries than a more robust less sighthoundy type animal

 

and I,m not sure if it was you or not which wrote a few months back words to the effect that they couldn,t see a reverse 3/4 bred being of any use in the field or words to that affect as I say not sure if it was yourself

 

Look it's just my point of view, and I would think you would struggle with a reverse 3/4 in southern england, and I notice that your geographical location is somewhat differnt to my own, which could be food for thought

I am a big fan of robust lurcher types, but you need both good pace and a good amount of intelligence to be a a useful dog on the rabbits, wether its, hills, rough paddocks or flat lands of drilling.

After all a rabbit isnt an easy quarry as many people will lead people to believe A dog needs enough speed to catch rabbits, and I truly believe that a dog which has more collie/pastoral/herding blood running through its veins than running dog I dought will fair well on varied land, unless you are lucky. As has already been touched on in this thread, there can be a huge variation in which way that will throw.

 

My advice to the orginal poster would be try and get a balance of both, and ideally get a dog from stock where you can see its parents, type, temperment and working ability, sadly when you are purchasing a puppy from a commercial puppy farm you have to for go this privilege, and in my opinion your own conscience has to live with supporting puppy farming

 

My personal taste is a dog that catchs rabbits, and is robust enough not to break on the land I run

 

'It aint all tussock grass down ere, but it sure can help a slower dog'

as above I,ve highlighted as for the rest you do make some good points but I,m still detecting a wee bit hostility lol but I,m no in a argumentative mood today atb for the the coming season

[Sirius 1,391]

The dog is a line bred saluki grey and has some very famouse coursing dogs in the pedigree and his great grandmother was a waterloo cup winner I have seen the dog work on numerouse occasions and he is top draw ..... Myself and Chalkie watched him retrieve a tracked hare that took over 3 minuets and 5 minuets later the dog was working a warren as if it had been ferreting for years ...........

 

Ooooo Mate, you better watchout with that breeding they might be too fast for rabbits :laugh:

[Guest born to run1083]

Well I dont want an argument either, but rabbits are not easy or slow thats for sure (well not down here in the south) and without doubt a dog needs pace to be able to catch them consistantly over many seasons.

Otherwise we would be all running reverse 3/4 breds, which will not cut the mustard unless you have a freak.

Well I have to disagree, not sure if I have a freak or not but my reverse 3/4 bred caught consistently last season, she infact caught as many bunnys last season as a fast decent dog round these parts could probably bag maybe only her second season but I can,t see any reason why she won,t continue to do so discounting injury, which brings me to my next point and correct me if you think I,m wrong but isn,t a more sighthoundy type more likely to be laid up in the kennel with injuries than a more robust less sighthoundy type animal

 

and I,m not sure if it was you or not which wrote a few months back words to the effect that they couldn,t see a reverse 3/4 bred being of any use in the field or words to that affect as I say not sure if it was yourself

 

Look it's just my point of view, and I would think you would struggle with a reverse 3/4 in southern england, and I notice that your geographical location is somewhat differnt to my own, which could be food for thought

I am a big fan of robust lurcher types, but you need both good pace and a good amount of intelligence to be a a useful dog on the rabbits, wether its, hills, rough paddocks or flat lands of drilling.

After all a rabbit isnt an easy quarry as many people will lead you to believe A dog needs enough speed to catch rabbits, and I truly believe that a dog which has more collie/pastoral/herding blood running through its veins than running dog I doubt will fair well on varied land, unless you are lucky, very lucky. As has already been touched on in this thread, there can be a huge variation in which way that will throw with herders x greyhounds.

 

My advice to the orginal poster would be try and get a balance of both, and ideally get a dog from stock where you can see its parents, type, temperment and working ability, sadly when you are purchasing a puppy from a commercial puppy farm you have to for go this privilege, and in my opinion your own conscience has to live with supporting puppy farming

 

My personal taste is a dog that catchs rabbits, and is robust enough not to break on the land I run

 

'It aint all tussock grass down ere, but it sure can help a slower dog'

My bitch is a tank if being honest but I have the asurity that she can run anywhere she's already proved it. My bitch has been able to run ground that most Lurcher owners would not even touch. The only injury she has acquired is lost a nail on one outing running the slate quarries but that's all, didn't even lay her up for a few days. As many said percentages do mean nothing it's all on the time you put in. One thing one lass was bang on the more collie you go the easier to ruine. As there so adaptive. But still I hold my own for night time just how fast do you need?

[birddog 1,354]

the way i see it a hare (preban of course) stalked and pounced on by a slow clever dog or a hare coursed and caught by a fast spectacular dog after a long course is still a hare in the bag, it's all down to individual preferences. a clever type on the lamp will / may / should turn bunnies away from a fence or shelter pushing them into the open making them panic a faster more direct type will dive in make the strike if it's whin's or reeds and the like good and well, what if it's blackthorn or a barbed wire fence ? alternatively it's always gonna be easier to teach a clever one to retrieve shot hares.....

the lads asked a good question and started a decent topic lets give him a good start to his collie x experience.

[Guest vin]

I am hoping that this union from Sunday will bring me what I want ... Keep the brains Nd add a little more speed and wind .......

 

 

 

I'm only gonna say this once... you can all F..k right off... I'm having a pup. The rest of you can argue it out.

 

I've worked with Ken and Tegan and watched her closely over a long strectch off hard graft.. one of the best I've ever seen.

 

As for the stud dog...I've been told about him before and If Ken wants a pup for himself he could have chosen any dog in the country..He chose to use his eyes and believe what he saw for himself ,he has watched this dog closely over a long period of time and by all accounts he is a belting dog.

 

I dont see what more you could possibly ask for in the breeding of a good pup.

[birddog 1,354]

if you get racy 1st x's and clever 2nd x's, the reverse 3/4 is maybe a marmite type and i know from experience there is lots of variety with the 3/8 x 5/8, they'll maybe be harder to come by but what about the collie x crossed with a collie x both proven workers

[john john 51]

cmon in now children play times over .didnt you all hear the bell :laugh: .

[KittleRox 2,147]

time

Edited August 22, 2012 by KittleRox