Collie brains better than speed

[storm323 191]

I've seen a few collie crosses run got a 1/4 collie now she's a fast dog and clever tho to clever at times I've seen a 3/8ths collie she was a fast dog and clever good rabbiting bitch very committed I've seen a first cross run very fast and clever and I owned a 5/8 collie she was very clever and agile lacked top end speed but an ideal rabbiting dog.

[birddog 1,354]

we all know clever collie x's cant run!

[richie198 28]

i used to run a great little reverse 3\4 bitch well fast enough for

ribbits and run all day and night turn fox inside out but wouldnt

take one she just lacked heart for the red lads.

she also used to put rabbits out of small covers but never took

to marking up for the ferrets

[torchey 1,328]

Must admit i like the speed of a 1/4 cross but if it ain,t got the strike to match might aswell run a pug..even a 1/4 cross can think to much though...

[earlystart 56]

as been said you would get fast 1xs ,and clever 1/4 as the same as 1xs. Ive been lucky that my 1x Bryn (local bred) is fast, and very agile good wind he is spot on for the rabbit job. And i think the only quarry a 1x would find hard are hares, anything else a 1x can catch + kill . But as its only rabbits now with the Ban, the 1x will do what you need. I do think a colliex whippetxgrey would make a very good lurcher, the 1s ive seen are very good dogs having that bit of whippet in does make a differnce.You still got plenty of brain but plenty of speed, i think if was looking for colliex again i would have 1 with bit of whippet in the mix.

Bryn 1x colliex grey, as said racey for this x

[earlystart 56]

as been said you would get fast 1xs ,and clever 1/4 as the same as 1xs. Ive been lucky that my 1x Bryn (local bred) is fast, and very agile good wind he is spot on for the rabbit job. And i think the only quarry a 1x would find hard are hares, anything else a 1x can catch + kill . But as its only rabbits now with the Ban, the 1x will do what you need. I do think a colliex whippetxgrey would make a very good lurcher, the 1s ive seen are very good dogs having that bit of whippet in does make a differnce.You still got plenty of brain but plenty of speed, i think if was looking for colliex again i would have 1 with bit of whippet in the mix.

Bryn 1x colliex grey, as said racey for this x

Nice pic bird!

[socks 32,253]

Not all collie grey first crosses are bulky ..........

 

Tegan

 

[beast 1,884]

1/2 cross you know what you are gewtting, and they are very capable on rabbits, and other stuff including long ears if they are hunting up. certainly not out and out coursers. 3/4 bred can come out anywhere between a half cross and a full grey, some have awful feet and burn out quicker than a roman candle, some are great but even the very best are not really out and out coursers. the other stuff a decent half cross will do just as well so i would go for that as it will be more durable. the beardie/border xgrey tend to throw a bit taller than beardie or border first crosses

[bird 9,969]

Not all collie grey first crosses are bulky ..........

 

Tegan

 

 

 

very nice bitch that, nice and racey just like my dog, fast 1xs

[Bosun11 537]

Whilst i'd agree with Chalks and others on here that there is much variation in collie crosses and also agree with Socks that not all first crosses are bulky BUT some can be, i've owned one, and Socks's black bitch, is to me, just about THE best example of type there is, so I wouldn't expect sommat like that to crop up in every litter....

My two penneth worth is that the art of lamping (is it an art!!?) doesn't require that much brain, with some of the best lamp dogs coming out of crosses never noted for their mental acumen! Ferreting is more skilfull but a lurcher of any type, in the right hands will make a decent ferreting dog, purebreds too, i've seen enough and there are plenty posted on here. General mooching; again, in the right hands a good moocher can be 'made' from any decent lurcher. I live next door to a cracker, predominantly bull and saluki in its make up but that dog can find a needle in a haystack, works a little too far out for my liking but certainly does the job.

So to me, the question is never about the dogs brain, more about my/your capabilitys as a trainer and most importantly for me how fecking fast can it run, because as Chart's said, if it can't run it can't catch, even if it had a brain like fecking Einstien...

If I was going to a commercial breeder, i'd be looking to a 3/4 bred BUT its YOUR CHOICE.

I'd also be stating very strongly of what I want from that dog, commercial breeders usually have a few litters on and turning up and asking for the type you want, then taking what is offered and by not asking or demanding for the best available, could land you in a whole heap of shite in the future...

[socks 32,253]

I am hoping that this union from Sunday will bring me what I want ... Keep the brains Nd add a little more speed and wind .......

 

[South hams hunter 8,926]

The thing with lamping is you could have the smartest fastest Lurcher there is but if you don't put the game in front of it well it won't be much cop.

 

Whatever dog just get it out as regular as possible on as much tackle as you can without breaking the dog or sending it on silly runs and most will dome good. I'm sure it's not coincidence that the lads that have good dogs have good fogs.

 

I don't know the minshaw lads but look at swift and don. Now I don't know how clever either dog is but they're complete opposites in shape. Swift a big racey dog, long in the back, deep chest, good second thigh and just generally very well greyhound shaped ( hope I've got the right dog, black racey bitch? ) and then you have don. A short cobby dog with no real running dog attributed to look at and if I remember correctly is over half collie. So even though you have, and to use andys words, two collie bred curs, they are nothing alike( to look at that is) and yet they both kill hundreds if not thousands of rabbits a year so surely that's a good show that the dogs jut need entering and working right.

 

 

[Rake aboot 4,936]

My half cross is pretty quick enough for rabbiting.

yours is a 3/4 bred though lol

 

He`s not,,,, honest injun !!! lol

[KittleRox 2,147]

My half cross is pretty quick enough for rabbiting.

yours is a 3/4 bred though lol

 

He`s not,,,, honest injun !!! lol

[derbylad1 293]

Whilst i'd agree with Chalks and others on here that there is much variation in collie crosses and also agree with Socks that not all first crosses are bulky BUT some can be, i've owned one, and Socks's black bitch, is to me, just about THE best example of type there is, so I wouldn't expect sommat like that to crop up in every litter....

My two penneth worth is that the art of lamping (is it an art!!?) doesn't require that much brain, with some of the best lamp dogs coming out of crosses never noted for their mental acumen! Ferreting is more skilfull but a lurcher of any type, in the right hands will make a decent ferreting dog, purebreds too, i've seen enough and there are plenty posted on here. General mooching; again, in the right hands a good moocher can be 'made' from any decent lurcher. I live next door to a cracker, predominantly bull and saluki in its make up but that dog can find a needle in a haystack, works a little too far out for my liking but certainly does the job.

So to me, the question is never about the dogs brain, more about my/your capabilitys as a trainer and most importantly for me how fecking fast can it run, because as Chart's said, if it can't run it can't catch, even if it had a brain like fecking Einstien...

If I was going to a commercial breeder, i'd be looking to a 3/4 bred BUT its YOUR CHOICE.

I'd also be stating very strongly of what I want from that dog, commercial breeders usually have a few litters on and turning up and asking for the type you want, then taking what is offered and by not asking or demanding for the best available, could land you in a whole heap of shite in the future...

 

I'm agreeing with what wrote here. Lets get back to what the lad was asking....but no real answer can be given. He has the choice between 2 different pups, one a 1/4 cross and the other a 1/2 cross. Lets be honest here...its pot luck how those pups will turn out. The 1/2 cross, may end up being quicker than the 1/4 cross and the 1/4 cross may end up showing more brain, because it really is a lottery out there. However, you likelyhood of a 1/4 being quicker..and so on...is a lot higher(usually)....lol

 

You really need to look at the quarry you hunt, the land you'll run the dog on and how you will hunt and then make your decision from there.

 

From my own experience, Meg was a fast 1/2 cross, plenty of brain and took plenty of rabbits, a good few hares and charlie as well. I bred the litter that produced Coco and Lec (and a few others on here) and were in theory, a 1/4 collie crossed with whippet/grey. But Lec and Coco are so different, its unbelievable that they're from the same litter. Lec is an out and out pace dog and thrives on long ears, highly driven and the "up at em" attitude. Where coco, is a more biddable, steady and cunning thinking animal and goes to show no matter how much collie...there are so many variations its hard to pin-point what cross does what. And from what every one is writing, just goes to show how true this is. Pics below...Meg on left, lec on right and coco on the next post

Edited August 22, 2012 by derbylad1