.17 or .22

[riflehunter583 58]

I don't know where to start, but the mention of deer in a post re .22 and .17 hmr is just a start.

"its a forum you muppet anyone can say what they want!"

 

Subs and hv, yea ok!

"mate you shoot far to much hmr to know what your talking about when it comes to .22lr."

 

.22 make you a better shot! Haha, techniqe makes you a better shot.

"no wrong again what are you on about tegater! the first gun an instructor gives you is usually a .22lr hence a good training gun."

even a guy that came to buy something off me the other day said this! and many others from different disciplins over the years. maybe you spend to much time on your own in the hills!

 

I'm working away at the min, so cannot reply in full from a laptop, but hopefully you get the jist.

i think your away with the fairies on this one my comments to your post are in ""

Ok pal, I don't think I need to say any more, you have done enough.

 

For your info, I use a whole variety of calibres in both a professional and sporting capacity and I love the .22, but it will not do, on the moors what I want it to do. When I am driving or walking around and I see a crow at 150, then I want that crow dead. A .22 simply cannot do this consistently, unless you are still asleep.

 

Tell me about the deer though that is really interesting?.

 

I will reply tomoz though as I am off out now.

 

read what i have said in the "" lad

Riflehunter. I saw your video when you first released it and I am not to big to say well done, I am impressed with that sort of skill, as I am with some of the videos that Zini puts up.

 

I am fully aware of the internal ballistics and for that reason, I started my lads off on an air rifle, and not the .22 or hmr. A springer is a real test of "good technique", but it is the technique that has to be good. The rifle itself doesn't make you a good shot. I think on that point we are agreed.

 

Subs and HV I agreed with you on, hence my saying yea Ok.

 

Name calling and insinuations I don't agree with you on, and I will not lower myself to that, as many will know.

 

Being able to "say what you want" is very true on a forum, but it goes against the grain with me when it distorts the post, as that then de- values the post.

 

 

ok i was just a bit miffed off about the comment you made and didn't even tell me why becuase. you were at work i supose. and i'm sure you have much more experience than me. but what i am trying to say is .22lr is a cracking bit of kit if you choose wisly and spend the time getting to know it.

anyhow.

I know you think velocitors are rubbish but i quiet like them for aroun £5.50 a box! and i think cci have improved them a little as the gun shop gave me an old pack for free some months ago and they were no good. they had a very old logo on them so i justed used them for plinking.

bellow is a pic of a random (not my best) group of cci velocitors shot maybe 6 months ago from the last ten shots a pack. four of them are sub inch and the last is under 1.5 inch. i hardly ever put these vel. through paper as the noise annoys the neighbours.

 

at 100 ftlb at 100 yards each of these shots would have at least put a rabbit (chest shot) or fox (behind the shoulder shot) down.

 

I also think i could consitently improve on this with cci velocitors.

 

[tegater 789]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating other calibres, and although there is some cracking banter on this topic that goes round and round, it is an individuals personal circumstances that really determine what is right for them, and not someone who shoots potentially in a different environment.

 

I like the above group you have shown, again not bad with the .22, get some more footage up, because that really does shut the doubters up!

 

Nice to see you talking about whacking foxes at 100 with it. Until relatively recent years, more will have been shot with this and the shotty than any other calibre.

 

Thanks for the reply, and all the best.

 

[paulus 26]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating othercalibrese

did i tell you the 22 is better

[richmcgin 32]

Same ol same old,

But for my needs the .22 is king, if only the boys in blue will let me have them back!!!!.

[tegater 789]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating othercalibrese

did i tell you the 22 is better

Lol.

[tegater 789]

Same ol same old,

But for my needs the .22 is king, if only the boys in blue will let me have them back!!!!.

Why what happened to them?

[riflehunter583 58]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating other calibres, and although there is some cracking banter on this topic that goes round and round, it is an individuals personal circumstances that really determine what is right for them, and not someone who shoots potentially in a different environment.

 

I like the above group you have shown, again not bad with the .22, get some more footage up, because that really does shut the doubters up!

 

Nice to see you talking about whacking foxes at 100 with it. Until relatively recent years, more will have been shot with this and the shotty than any other calibre.

 

Thanks for the reply, and all the best.

 

i'll try and do some more uploading soon, gonna have to invest in a better camera as the one i have is just a cheep pc world camera probably made in china!. resolution settings on it are rubbish. it seems many people are into u tube now so will have to have a bash at trying editing software also.

 

i shot a fox with the .22lr velocitors many months ago at yards in the chest, the bullet came out the other side so not really expanding enough. ballistic tip ammo is definetly a better option for dedicated fox shooting imo (unless its a shoulder shot with hmr ballistic tip ). however if your lamping/nv for rabbits with subs and a fox crosses your path they are a handy round to keep in the spare mag. go through fox shoulders well.

 

on another note i caught my cat in my larsen trap this evening neither cat nor call bird seemed very happy with the experience

Edited September 10, 2012 by riflehunter583

[tegater 789]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating other calibres, and although there is some cracking banter on this topic that goes round and round, it is an individuals personal circumstances that really determine what is right for them, and not someone who shoots potentially in a different environment.

 

I like the above group you have shown, again not bad with the .22, get some more footage up, because that really does shut the doubters up!

 

Nice to see you talking about whacking foxes at 100 with it. Until relatively recent years, more will have been shot with this and the shotty than any other calibre.

 

Thanks for the reply, and all the best.

 

i'll try and do some more uploading soon, gonna have to invest in a better camera as the one i have is just a cheep pc world camera probably made in china!. resolution settings on it are rubbish. it seems many people are into u tube now so will have to have a bash at trying editing software also.

 

i shot a fox with the .22lr velocitors many months ago at yards in the chest, the bullet came out the other side so not really expanding enough. ballistic tip ammo is definetly a better option for dedicated fox shooting imo (unless its a shoulder shot with hmr ballistic tip ). however if your lamping/nv for rabbits with subs and a fox crosses your path they are a handy round to keep in the spare mag. go through fox shoulders well.

 

on another note i caught my cat in my larsen trap this evening

Yours is a lucky cat then, many a cat has not had a happy ending in one of those!

[tegater 789]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating other calibres, and although there is some cracking banter on this topic that goes round and round, it is an individuals personal circumstances that really determine what is right for them, and not someone who shoots potentially in a different environment.

 

I like the above group you have shown, again not bad with the .22, get some more footage up, because that really does shut the doubters up!

 

Nice to see you talking about whacking foxes at 100 with it. Until relatively recent years, more will have been shot with this and the shotty than any other calibre.

 

Thanks for the reply, and all the best.

 

i'll try and do some more uploading soon, gonna have to invest in a better camera as the one i have is just a cheep pc world camera probably made in china!. resolution settings on it are rubbish. it seems many people are into u tube now so will have to have a bash at trying editing software also.

 

i shot a fox with the .22lr velocitors many months ago at yards in the chest, the bullet came out the other side so not really expanding enough. ballistic tip ammo is definetly a better option for dedicated fox shooting imo (unless its a shoulder shot with hmr ballistic tip ). however if your lamping/nv for rabbits with subs and a fox crosses your path they are a handy round to keep in the spare mag. go through fox shoulders well.

 

on another note i caught my cat in my larsen trap this evening

All you need is a semi decent camera and I use windows movie maker, which is free and comes with most windows operating systems.

[riflehunter583 58]

Ok maybe I should have explained a little with my first post to you.

 

What you say about the .22, I agree with you on, it just won't do the job I need the hmr on, when needing to kill stuff at 150+, and a CF, is not a viable option, in terms of cost and occasionly location.

 

The velocitors I have no opinion on, and I assume you are thinking of someone else. I will use whatever I can get as I generally only use a .22 at closer ranges, but usually eley or win subs.

 

I never consider myself to be experienced or even a good shot, I just do what I do, and get on with it. However I am always a firm believer that the old saying "always be wary of the man with opne gun" has an element of truth to it, and I wish there was a "catch all" rifle, that fits all circumstances. I think some people get tied up with their own circumstances and reasons to use a rifle that they cannot see why anything other than what they use fits. I can, and that's why you will not find me slating other calibres, and although there is some cracking banter on this topic that goes round and round, it is an individuals personal circumstances that really determine what is right for them, and not someone who shoots potentially in a different environment.

 

I like the above group you have shown, again not bad with the .22, get some more footage up, because that really does shut the doubters up!

 

Nice to see you talking about whacking foxes at 100 with it. Until relatively recent years, more will have been shot with this and the shotty than any other calibre.

 

Thanks for the reply, and all the best.

 

i'll try and do some more uploading soon, gonna have to invest in a better camera as the one i have is just a cheep pc world camera probably made in china!. resolution settings on it are rubbish. it seems many people are into u tube now so will have to have a bash at trying editing software also.

 

i shot a fox with the .22lr velocitors many months ago at yards in the chest, the bullet came out the other side so not really expanding enough. ballistic tip ammo is definetly a better option for dedicated fox shooting imo (unless its a shoulder shot with hmr ballistic tip ). however if your lamping/nv for rabbits with subs and a fox crosses your path they are a handy round to keep in the spare mag. go through fox shoulders well.

 

on another note i caught my cat in my larsen trap this evening

All you need is a semi decent camera and I use windows movie maker, which is free and comes with most windows operating systems.

 

yea it looks good but i could not get the format my camera works in to open on movie maker. so think i'm gonna look out for one of these high speed cameras that go on the back of the scope in a format thats transferable.

[tegater 789]

Just check format compatible before you buy. I know Windows 8 movie maker does far more formats than XP for example.

 

Looking forward to some interesting footage.