events co-ordinator 353 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yes but lets get this right thats not what I'm saying thats what the Scottish Executive have said. SACS members expect a service we provide it. Remember if it was'nt for the organizations fighting this it would be Banned already SACS and the rest have spent a lot of man hours on these consultations looking for pitfalls and traps that the opposition try to build in to bills. Like when Watson first put in the protection of wild mammals bill my old man and some of the SWDA committee chewed that bill from ARSE to Elbow to make sure we could still work terriers after it was passed but after they framed Exemptions etc they had to call on the CA to get their lawyers to check it to make sure they were robust enough to stand in court. In this country you would be playing GOLF if it was'nt for the organizations defending Field sports they are not perfect but as I said the only way to change them is from the insde. Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Organizations are there for the benefit of their members as stated above SACS are a value for money outfit but if you feel you are not getting enough Bang for your Buck from your representitive body go to the AGM and have your say any one can stand outside and criticize the right way to go is change the things you dont like BUT you have to be a member to do that and that takes comitment. this answers part of my dislike.....benifit for their members...agm but must be a member...you cant get past going through some organized profit making company,through organizations we and all our sports/careers are controlled.staying within legislation is not enough,you lot have made your sceme's legislation thus forcing lawfull trappers to take membership mandatory irrespective of lawfull snare sets,you have railroaded snaring with a view of profit/membership = benefits,in no way do non members profit or have any say,in fact you have stopped anyone outside your groups having rights because you have manufactured a sceme that only accepts payment for accreditation not proven experience based snaremen who set within law,organization has robbed us of our whole lawfull freedom.i didnt authorize you to speek on my behalf and railroad our careers,why should we be forced through your sceme wether sacs basc or whoever.its wrong but again the availability to contest this requires membership of course."no fee no free" or "pay to say".i look forward to further diologue and the specific departments that authorized your sceme or is that info not available through sacs without membership.put people wise if its not all corrupt,let us non members make there phones ring,post the the details so we can have our say and hear the accreditors requirements as many are suitable to accredit outside of big organized scemes. Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 sorry for my delayed post,thank you for your responces,im sure all the experienced trappers of decades experience are very happy knowing you have fought for this..... im sure they will be joyus at the outcome and results of your struggle Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Organizations are there for the benefit of their members as stated above SACS are a value for money outfit but if you feel you are not getting enough Bang for your Buck from your representitive body go to the AGM and have your say any one can stand outside and criticize the right way to go is change the things you dont like BUT you have to be a member to do that and that takes comitment. this answers part of my dislike.....benifit for their members...agm but must be a member...you cant get past going through some organized profit making company,through organizations we and all our sports/careers are controlled.staying within legislation is not enough,you lot have made your sceme's legislation thus forcing lawfull trappers to take membership mandatory irrespective of lawfull snare sets,you have railroaded snaring with a view of profit/membership = benefits,in no way do non members profit or have any say,in fact you have stopped anyone outside your groups having rights because you have manufactured a sceme that only accepts payment for accreditation not proven experience based snaremen who set within law,organization has robbed us of our whole lawfull freedom.i didnt authorize you to speek on my behalf and railroad our careers,why should we be forced through your sceme wether sacs basc or whoever.its wrong but again the availability to contest this requires membership of course."no fee no free" or "pay to say".i look forward to further diologue and the specific departments that authorized your sceme or is that info not available through sacs without membership.put people wise if its not all corrupt,let us non members make there phones ring,post the the details so we can have our say and hear the accreditors requirements as many are suitable to accredit outside of big organized scemes. i said that one the first page Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Organizations are there for the benefit of their members as stated above SACS are a value for money outfit but if you feel you are not getting enough Bang for your Buck from your representitive body go to the AGM and have your say any one can stand outside and criticize the right way to go is change the things you dont like BUT you have to be a member to do that and that takes comitment. this answers part of my dislike.....benifit for their members...agm but must be a member...you cant get past going through some organized profit making company,through organizations we and all our sports/careers are controlled.staying within legislation is not enough,you lot have made your sceme's legislation thus forcing lawfull trappers to take membership mandatory irrespective of lawfull snare sets,you have railroaded snaring with a view of profit/membership = benefits,in no way do non members profit or have any say,in fact you have stopped anyone outside your groups having rights because you have manufactured a sceme that only accepts payment for accreditation not proven experience based snaremen who set within law,organization has robbed us of our whole lawfull freedom.i didnt authorize you to speek on my behalf and railroad our careers,why should we be forced through your sceme wether sacs basc or whoever.its wrong but again the availability to contest this requires membership of course."no fee no free" or "pay to say".i look forward to further diologue and the specific departments that authorized your sceme or is that info not available through sacs without membership.put people wise if its not all corrupt,let us non members make there phones ring,post the the details so we can have our say and hear the accreditors requirements as many are suitable to accredit outside of big organized scemes. i said that one the first page i know bud im just banging at the door 1 Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 i also said it a few months ago when people were putting pictures of cubs in rabbits snares up and admitting it was deliberate 2 Quote Link to post
micky 3,325 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 paulus,you rearly are a silly shit stirring twat Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 paulus,you rearly are a silly shit stirring twat really Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 yes truthfull though dont you think Quote Link to post
Matt 160 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 This only applies to SCOTLAND though doesn't it? The rest of us just need to be ready for our turn for now.................... Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 This only applies to SCOTLAND though doesn't it? The rest of us just need to be ready for our turn for now.................... it could come to england early next year.. january if i recollect could be later tho just the begining of it here.45 pound is reasonable at least not extortionate.for some subsitance snaring users on site without income it may and the small practicle safe snarer that suffers this is all im saying i mis quoted first time just thought to edit as its all to the wind who knows ,paulus keep stirring Quote Link to post
events co-ordinator 353 Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 Maybe a photo of the slapped ear and kicked arse would be enough for the Scottish Executive but I fear that the police will not accept it as proof that you are able to snare as required by law have the I.D number etc. Remember the Govt makes the law You go and argue with them if you dont like the way they do things but some guys prefer other people to lobby on their behalf you obviously dont. Not everybody knows Glenn Waters so there has to be some structure that people can be trained in the proper use or snaring will be banned, instead of fighting with people who are trying to defend snaring. Why do you not turn your venom on those who are trying to BAN snaring go and have a pop at the SSPCA or the RSPB instead of people that are trying to stand up for what we do. Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 whats that song i hear em singin....you'll never walk alone! looks like your lawfull lone walkin days are over bud your business is there business. Quote Link to post
unclepesta 101 Posted August 9, 2012 Report Share Posted August 9, 2012 whats that song i hear em singin....you'll never walk alone! looks like your lawfull lone walkin days are over bud your business is there business. i think the coordinator was killing two birds with one stone Quote Link to post
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