hancock

[birddog 1,354]

i don't have a problem with finding a pet home for a youngster that's not making the grade, but........where do we stand with the moral high ground bit if we start knocking perfectly healthy well bred pups on the head because we've overbred?

[graham4877 1,181]

jeez bud if your offering me the choice between killing 'jazzs' pups or funding hancocks new car ?????

And if you then have a litter and decide to cull, when do you cull? a day old, a week old, 6 weeks old?

 

I was planning a litter off my bitch looked for nearly 2 years to find the right stud and then she never broke down, incidentley I had homes for 5 pups.

As a kid with my dad i always remember him doing it with in 24 hours, he'd keep what he wanted and for his mates, if their was not plenty of bitches his mates would be asked WHAT IF before hand. not nice but we would not have what we have now! but then the amount of shite all the kids are breeding i think its just about all undone!

[johnny boy68 11,726]

jeez bud if your offering me the choice between killing 'jazzs' pups or funding hancocks new car ?????

And if you then have a litter and decide to cull, when do you cull? a day old, a week old, 6 weeks old?

 

I was planning a litter off my bitch looked for nearly 2 years to find the right stud and then she never broke down, incidentley I had homes for 5 pups.

As a kid with my dad i always remember him doing it with in 24 hours, he'd keep what he wanted and for his mates, if their was not plenty of bitches his mates would be asked WHAT IF before hand. not nice but we would not have what we have now! but then the amount of shite all the kids are breeding i think its just about all undone!

With all the best intentions in the world how could you really differeniate between pups other than size and colour when they're born?

[graham4877 1,181]

i don't have a problem with finding a pet home for a youngster that's not making the grade, but........where do we stand with the moral high ground bit if we start knocking perfectly healthy well bred pups on the head because we've overbred?

I'm sure you'd do just fine getting all pups new homes mate! after all the collx still has its lovers

but it is something you'd have to ask-yourself before breeding, if you gift to right homes you'l not have a problem. I'm not saying its easy or i'm not going to tell you how to deal will it, but my way of thinking even more so now, is better than a life of been passed round like a toy!

i'd be thinking you'd have less dicks wanting a colliesx as the bull is the main thing they go for now!

 

EDIT J boy68.. well its the same with picking a pup at 8 week from a litter mate.

you'd pick what you like or sex and take you chances

In no way am i saying its easy to to it.. only a fool/wanna be hard man would say that!

[brambles 3,263]

I had one of Hancocks about 15 year ago, a blue merle bitch, her sire was a dog called storming norman to a g/hound bitch, got her at 7wks she was jabbed she was well wormed and generally in good health. She was very tractable keen to please and soaked training up like a sponge, by the age of 19mths she was lamping, working with ferrets, starting to take feather,had killed a few daytime hares and had 3or 4 roe under her belt she stood 25 tts and was a really well shaped bitch. In her third season she was retrieving a daytime hare , she was about to jump the fence when she was mobbed by some young Abeerden Angus beef cattle, one kicked out sending her 5ft in the air resulting in severe. kidney damage which ended her short career, I'm not a fox person but she had taken in the regions of a dozen all with vigour, my point is Hancock might not suit everyone, he probably has produced alot of shite but the 125pounds i spent on that bitch was fcuking well spent, its what ive always said you only get out what you put IN atb lads and lasses with whatever cross you decide to run

[patterdalejoel 669]

any pics of the offspring chalkwarren? seems a quite thick set collie, i thoink i have seen a pic before from a different agle and he looked a lot leggier.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

i don't have a problem with finding a pet home for a youngster that's not making the grade, but........where do we stand with the moral high ground bit if we start knocking perfectly healthy well bred pups on the head because we've overbred?

I'm sure you'd do just fine getting all pups new homes mate! after all the collx still has its lovers

but it is something you'd have to ask-yourself before breeding, if you gift to right homes you'l not have a problem. I'm not saying its easy or i'm not going to tell you how to deal will it, but my way of thinking even more so now, is better than a life of been passed round like a toy!

i'd be thinking you'd have less dicks wanting a colliesx as the bull is the main thing they go for now!

 

EDIT J boy68.. well its the same with picking a pup at 8 week from a litter mate.

you'd pick what you like or sex and take you chances

In no way am i saying its easy to to it.. only a fool/wanna be hard man would say that!

No mate a pup thats just been born is COMPLETLEY different to picking at 8 weeks, confirmation, size and so many other things like the temp can be so much easier to see at 2 months old.

[graham4877 1,181]

i don't have a problem with finding a pet home for a youngster that's not making the grade, but........where do we stand with the moral high ground bit if we start knocking perfectly healthy well bred pups on the head because we've overbred?

I'm sure you'd do just fine getting all pups new homes mate! after all the collx still has its lovers

but it is something you'd have to ask-yourself before breeding, if you gift to right homes you'l not have a problem. I'm not saying its easy or i'm not going to tell you how to deal will it, but my way of thinking even more so now, is better than a life of been passed round like a toy!

i'd be thinking you'd have less dicks wanting a colliesx as the bull is the main thing they go for now!

 

EDIT J boy68.. well its the same with picking a pup at 8 week from a litter mate.

you'd pick what you like or sex and take you chances

In no way am i saying its easy to to it.. only a fool/wanna be hard man would say that!

No mate a pup thats just been born is COMPLETLEY different to picking at 8 weeks, confirmation, size and so many other things like the temp can be so much easier to see at 2 months old.

you can't look at any pup at 8 weeks and say that will be a good worker.

what i mean is you'd pick/keep what you like the look of! no one can say this is the set way to pick a pup of any age! as we all like different things in a pup!

[Sirius 1,391]

some of the nicest most genuine guys i have met are dogmen i'm certainly not tarring everyone with the same brush, i'm only asking the question. also youv'e kinda hit on the problem i was talking about earlier...if i wanted a pup for myself and bred 'jazz' with say 'birds' 'bryn' or 'keeps' 'indie' or my pal rakes cracking young half cross all genuine honest working sound collie x's could i find maybe 10 guy's with the patience, temperament and inkling for a collie x cur at that particular time ? i doubt it and i'd have a litter of pups that i'd be responsible for

 

I am sure they would go, but there are things (not always easy) to make it easier on dog and owner. Better than supporting puppy farming in my book.

Edited August 2, 2012 by Sirius

[birddog 1,354]

I had one of Hancocks about 15 year ago, a blue merle bitch, her sire was a dog called storming norman to a g/hound bitch, got her at 7wks she was jabbed she was well wormed and generally in good health. She was very tractable keen to please and soaked training up like a sponge, by the age of 19mths she was lamping, working with ferrets, starting to take feather,had killed a few daytime hares and had 3or 4 roe under her belt she stood 25 tts and was a really well shaped bitch. In her third season she was retrieving a daytime hare , she was about to jump the fence when she was mobbed by some young Abeerden Angus beef cattle, one kicked out sending her 5ft in the air resulting in severe. kidney damage which ended her short career, I'm not a fox person but she had taken in the regions of a dozen all with vigour, my point is Hancock might not suit everyone, he probably has produced alot of shite but the 125pounds i spent on that bitch was fcuking well spent, its what ive always said you only get out what you put IN atb lads and lasses with whatever cross you decide to run

she sounds good but to keep the theme going.....did you breed her?

[storm323 191]

I would find it very hard to cull pups although I understand why people do it,I wouldn't be to bothered if the pups went to pet homes I'd rather a pup go free to a pet home than sell it to someone who's gonna quit on it and pass it on.the reason I first went to hancocks is proberly because I was a Plummer fan and being young and naive believe everything he said and he often mention Hancock in his books and a few of the local older lads used to say Hancock wouldn't just let anyone have these dogs (how wrong where they) there top quality dogs they sed.i couldn't see the picture chalkie put up what was it?

[brambles 3,263]

I had one of Hancocks about 15 year ago, a blue merle bitch, her sire was a dog called storming norman to a g/hound bitch, got her at 7wks she was jabbed she was well wormed and generally in good health. She was very tractable keen to please and soaked training up like a sponge, by the age of 19mths she was lamping, working with ferrets, starting to take feather,had killed a few daytime hares and had 3or 4 roe under her belt she stood 25 tts and was a really well shaped bitch. In her third season she was retrieving a daytime hare , she was about to jump the fence when she was mobbed by some young Abeerden Angus beef cattle, one kicked out sending her 5ft in the air resulting in severe. kidney damage which ended her short career, I'm not a fox person but she had taken in the regions of a dozen all with vigour, my point is Hancock might not suit everyone, he probably has produced alot of shite but the 125pounds i spent on that bitch was fcuking well spent, its what ive always said you only get out what you put IN atb lads and lasses with whatever cross you decide to run

she sounds good but to keep the theme going.....did you breed her?

[birddog 1,354]

I would find it very hard to cull pups although I understand why people do it,I wouldn't be to bothered if the pups went to pet homes I'd rather a pup go free to a pet home than sell it to someone who's gonna quit on it and pass it on.the reason I first went to hancocks is proberly because I was a Plummer fan and being young and naive believe everything he said and he often mention Hancock in his books and a few of the local older lads used to say Hancock wouldn't just let anyone have these dogs (how wrong where they) there top quality dogs they sed.i couldn't see the picture chalkie put up what was it?

the pic chalky put up had nothing to do with this.....it was naked lesbians rolling about in strawberry jam

[brambles 3,263]

No mate i didnt get a litter out of her, as i said It happened in her 3rd season and that would have have been her season to really start to prove herself, she was rehomed as pet and on medication till her demise due to her injury 5yrs ago

 

[storm323 191]

Glad I didn't see that utter filth haha just had a look now that's a nice collie that.