hancock

[Ideation 8,216]

That sounds my type of dog birddog I like the feild craft side of things my first lurcher was the same breeding as yours but reverse lovely bitch she was but died at a young age she was a Hancock breed dog but nether tested,I have a Hancock lurcher now she's a three quarter breed greyhound way she is a very obiedent dog coming along with ferreting and lamping she's ok at but my big problem with he's is he feet and she has a bad wrist I feel this is down to her breeding I think he would use weak greyhounds if I'm honest.i love the dog to bits and wouldn't part with her as she's more than a working dog to me that my opinion on this subject.

but i think youd have a waiting list if you were to mate her in the future to a good 1st cross maybe like 'birds' 'bryn' youd get some smashing 3/8 5/8 pups

 

What . . . . even with bad feet and bad wrists ????

[Ideation 8,216]

Outof interest, does anyoneknowif thatWilson is actually worked much,i was having a browse of the site, and speaking to a few folk, and got the impression that they had taken him out ferreting once? Not lookingt starta fight, just wondering if anyone had any better info???

 

If he was, then he wouldn't bea bad choice of stud to stick over a decent whippet/grey (worker) if anyone had one, would be some nice pups i would think?

[storm323 191]

Although they would be cracking pups birddog I wouldn't breed off here as I would go against everything I sed she has poor feet and i would be a hipocrite I feel it's due to poor greyhounds that this is why she has them I maybe wrong.I remember going to Hancocks the first time and the day I was going to go he was going out to pick up 6 greyhound bitches I very much dawt these 6 were champion greyhounds?the greyhound is equally important as the collie use a good greyhound to a good collie simple.

[johnny boy68 11,726]

Re the early socialisation of the pups and Sally, there are so many dogs at his place and so many pups at any one time I don't think it's possible. I thought I could address this shortfall by my own socialising of the pup but I believe that the pups there have such little early socialisation it's difficult to fully recover.

Then if you haven't the time to socialise the pups, employ somebody to do it. If you can't cater for the number of pups, breed less !!

[bunnys 1,228]

Re breeding collie cross greys, I believe the collie is as much if not more Important than the grey. Ex track greyhounds are easy enough to come by but sound balanced Collies are not as common. If you put the wrong type of Collie in you stand to have a lurcher that's neurotic and too manic to live with.

Would Mr Hancock breed from injured bitches, I don't believe so as it would be a bad advertisement for his stock, as we all know most people who know jack shit about Hancock dogs are quick to criticise and any hint of him using poor breeding stock would be jumped all over and publicised on all forums and that would impact upon his trade.

In my case I spoke to him regarding mine being manic, his constant howling in his kenne,l and he immediately offered a replacement, didn't fancy condemning the pup without a bit more effort though so kept him (thought about that decision a few times since though!).

Re the early socialisation of the pups and Sally, there are so many dogs at his place and so many pups at any one time I don't think it's possible. I thought I could address this shortfall by my own socialising of the pup but I believe that the pups there have such little early socialisation it's difficult to fully recover.

kabar it often astounds me with some folk , how would you think david hancock aquires , his broods think a wee while . these are animals not grasding or those that are constantly breaking down , when run in a word injury prone .WHERE would the manic behavouir your animal poses have come from , the mans willingness to replace the welp or his general demeanour are not questionable its the practise of there breeding farm in question . some welps get over poor socialization often a few mths living with the animal helps but some put straight in a kennel aint enough ,unless its round ya 24 10 i hope youhave learned to live with thyne and good luck atb bunnys.

[kabar 14]

 

Then if you haven't the time to socialise the pups, employ somebody to do it. If you can't cater for the number of pups, breed less !!

 

Couldn't agree more.

[Richard Morgan 38]

Outof interest, does anyoneknowif thatWilson is actually worked much,i was having a browse of the site, and speaking to a few folk, and got the impression that they had taken him out ferreting once? Not lookingt starta fight, just wondering if anyone had any better info???

 

If he was, then he wouldn't bea bad choice of stud to stick over a decent whippet/grey (worker) if anyone had one, would be some nice pups i would think?

working a dog is out every weekend at least ,thats what i saw growing up not once every six month to get a dog to be classed as a "worker" it actually has to be seeing quarry and taking regularly over years (practice makes perfect)

[Rake aboot 4,936]

Hancocks place is a set back farm / scrapyard nowadays.

The dogs, /young dogs ,pups are let out to free run the place once they are big enough. My dog was slightly older and had spent time running about with the older dogs around the yard. There are always folk about so he was well used to folk and had been on a coller and lead as well.

 

Horses for courses. Buying collie cross dogs from a breeder because nobody has any good stock available anywhere else is hardly a crime. And anybody who has kept a company going 30 + years must be keeping somebody happy.

Maybe people are pissed cause they cant make a living out of lurchers ? maybe?

 

Not me certainly, I would rather work them that breed them, but maybe thats why some are so vehemently against him.

[Richard Morgan 38]

some people live for their dogs and some live off them.

[Rake aboot 4,936]

some people live for their dogs and some live off them.

 

My point exactely. Not ideal but if you cannot get what you want where you want it, you take what you can get wherever you can.

[Richard Morgan 38]

its a cruel world and a true dogman i was told years ago has to sometimes be the same a lurcher for me as a working dog is exactly that a tool with which to perform a job so i surpose the man is providing a valuable service in a misshapen sort of way.

[kabar 14]

Bunyys, I take your point but i was refering to serious faults.

Re the manic behaviour of mine, I put it down to a few things amongst which the poor socialisation is right up there.

Im not sure what you mean by 24 10, but if you thought I left it in a kennel all day as a pup then that was far from the case.

Like I said earlier his practices and the ethics of producing dogs on such a large scale are a matter for each person to make a decision about. I know what I will do in the future but it's up to the individual to decide. Atb

[birddog 1,354]

Hancocks =shite

thanks for your constructive and positive input into this topic, it's quality comments like this that members will judge you on, well done thanks again

[Ideation 8,216]

its a cruel world and a true dogman i was told years ago has to sometimes be the same a lurcher for me as a working dog is exactly that a tool with which to perform a job so i surpose the man is providing a valuable service in a misshapen sort of way.

 

To be honest i think any one who is 'cruel' is just a c**t. Simple as.

 

But i sort of get what you are saying.

[poacher3161 1,766]

I agree with that you don't seeing many good collie x pups for sale and Hancock is an easy option I think this is why people off here should get intouch and breed a litter or two out of good working stock there are pleanty of decent lads on here that would take on these kind of pups not for money just for future pups I know a lot of people wouldn't like to do this but it would be great for some good working lurcher? Another question do you think Hancock would use an injured bitch say for instance bad feet ?

That would depend on how regular it came in season a well known lurcher man i know very well offerd hancock some quality retired raceing bitches that had an injury free raceing carreer and hancock turned them down as they were not due to break down.