j1985 1,983 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 Has anyone witnessed two dogs help each other out or done something to allow the other dog to make the catch ? What got me thinking was I once slipped two dogs on a deer (pre ban) one bull and one lurcher, the deer ran into a small fenced of wooded patch with the lurcher and bull right behind it when the bull stopped and ran round to where there was an opening (that I knew he knew was there as we walked there alot) where as he'd usually 100% of smashed into the cover or over the fence right behind it. The deer did come out where he had stopped but I never saw who actually made the catch ad it was just out of view, but when I got there he had a neck hold with the lurcher on the nose. Also Iv seen my terriers do similar things whilest bushing. My youngest will shoot out a run then back into the next as I assume she knows her mum is right behind whatever's being pushed out and shell try make the catch either as it's being pushed by her mum or head it off in the bush almost ??? Could it be nothing or maybe a trait that's in their makeup from when they were pack animals, as I know stray dogs revert back to packs so I'm guessing they'd also maybe show other traits wolves would posses. Just wondered if anyone else has any tales about it ? Quote Link to post
Ideation 8,216 Posted July 27, 2012 Report Share Posted July 27, 2012 See it quite a lot. Here's a slightly different instance, we take out a young whippet (2.5) and an old collie/grey, of about 8 yrs. When they first went out togeher, the old collie bitch, would hunt cover hard. In time the whippet has become a really good finding dog, and hunts like a demon, working fast and constantly. The old collie x, also saw this, and being a smart dog, and realising she didnt need to do the work, she now watches him, positioning herself on high ground, or on runs, somewhere she can see the whippet. When he picks up the pace, and his tail starts wagging, she knows he is on, and runs in, to intercept the bolt. We regularly see a dog putting up game and another dog further off, moving into position to intercept, rather than running flat it, they run, ino he animals path, cutting it off. Quote Link to post
Mick C. 229 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 its nice to watch dogs working togther . Quote Link to post
Tiny 7 1,694 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 You see it all the time when the dogs where on an hare one would sit back letting the other do the work and cutting off or both taking turns working the hare in and out. It was nice too see both dogs working together Quote Link to post
Ausnick 190 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 I have it happen a lot, one dog will run right behind the quarry while the other one goes out wide and cuts it off 1 Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 ive got 2 here sire and son that have been worked togeather since the son was old enough to run 5 years now. Quote Link to post
Richard Morgan 38 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 dogs are naturally pack animals so the instinic to work off one and other will always be there originally been bread from the wolf with the exception of the saluki witch was breed from a fox hence the coat and independence. Quote Link to post
j1985 1,983 Posted July 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 Is that fact about the saluki ? Never heard that one before. Quote Link to post
Richard Morgan 38 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 thats all me dad will run sal/coll/grey for 30 years the arabs originally breed them off a fox true fact mate. Quote Link to post
johnrthrfrd 223 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 My 2 bedlingtons and lurcher do it all the time. Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 thats all me dad will run sal/coll/grey for 30 years the arabs originally breed them off a fox true fact mate. I don't believe that mate. Just done a bit of research and they are a different species all together. The wolf, dingo, dog, coyote, and golden jackal diverged relatively recently, around three to four million years ago, and all have 78 chromosomes arranged in 39 pairs. This allows them to hybridize freely (barring size or behavioral constraints) and produce fertile offspring. The side-striped jackal and black-backed jackal both have 74 chromosomes. Other members of the Canidae family, which diverged seven to ten million years ago, are less closely related to and cannot hybridize with the wolf-like canids; the red fox has 38 chromosomes, the raccoon dog has 42 chromosomes, the fennec fox has 64 chromosomes, and the African wild dog has 78 chromosomes. I had my doubts before researching it and this proves what I thought correct. The saluki is the oldest know breed of dog Quote Link to post
paulus 26 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 all a bit mixed up with whats the oldest, its generally excepted that dogs evolved from the domesticated wolves and dna test have proved that theses 14 breeds are the closest relations to the original wolf. There are fourteen contenders for the title of "oldest breed." Dogs, as we know them today, are descendants of domesticated wolves. DNA research was conducted to determine which dog breeds had the most common 'genetic fingerprints' to wolves. The fourteen "ancient breeds" identified are: Afghan Hound Akita Alaskan Malamute Basenji Chow Chow Lhasa Apso Pekingese Saluki Samoyed Shar-pei Shiba Inu Shih Tzu Siberian Husky Tibetan Terrier This research was reported in the article "Genetic Structure of the Purebred Domestic Dog" in the journal Science, Volume 304, on May 21, 2004. Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_oldest_known_breed_of_dog_in_the_world#ixzz21tmrbhX5 Quote Link to post
Richard Morgan 38 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 opinions vary the fact is the saluki was originally bread from a desert fox as the arabs wanted something that could go hunting by itself through the day and need very little attention fox/cyote/wolf all the same species as far as im aware. Quote Link to post
nothernlite 18,080 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 all the time got a pair dogs brothers that were worked together from the start cracking we team do well together Quote Link to post
Gaz_1989 9,539 Posted July 28, 2012 Report Share Posted July 28, 2012 opinions vary the fact is the saluki was originally bread from a desert fox as the arabs wanted something that could go hunting by itself through the day and need very little attention fox/cyote/wolf all the same species as far as im aware. Send me some info on this if you can mate. I can't find ANYTHING backing this up. Cheers. Quote Link to post
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